What/Who is a Christian

[Brownie]

They could change their minds though, Rhiannon, or at least soften their views.  It happens.

[floo]

You are right there, though I think there pockets of it.  There are plenty of places where the attitude is much the same as here.  The USA is so vast, there are bound to be communities unlike here.

My son goes all over the States for work and has very strong opinions about it all but one thing that did surprise me is that there are Catholic communities that are quite evangelical like in the Bible-belts.  Certainly nothing like over here.   We also don't care or don't want to know about religious beliefs of our politicians but it is all very important in America.  Poor Obama even had to justify himself before he was elected, I remember he fell out with the minister at the church he had been a member of but went to another one.  He wrote about his beliefs (liberal of course), in 'The Audacity of Hope'. Some of the Bible belters were calling him a Muslim, how stupid.  Trump even said he wasn't an American!

Apparently there is a big Bible belt in Australia too.

We are relatively indifferent here, as long as no-one is extreme they're Ok.

As long as people practise their faith in a moderate way, and don't try to convert others with threats, I have absolutely no problem with it.

[~TW~]

  Brownie you write ---We are relatively indifferent here, as long as no-one is extreme they're Ok.
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 In your own words what does extreme mean.Please give examples.

  ~TW~

[floo]

You are very unpleasantly extreme, TW!

[~TW~]

So brownie does a vanishing act and leaves the puppet to answer.Case closed.
~TW~

[floo]

So brownie does a vanishing act and leaves the puppet to answer.Case closed.
~TW~

You make my case so well. Your brand of faith is extremely off putting to say the least. 

[~TW~]

You make my case so well. Your brand of faith is extremely off putting to say the least.

Maybe but I don't tell lies like the invisible Brownie who makes a statement and hides very Christian.

 ~TW~

[floo]

Maybe but I don't tell lies like the invisible Brownie who makes a statement and hides very Christian.

 ~TW~

What lies?

You lie because you state as fact what can only be an assertion!

[~TW~]

What lies?

You lie because you state as fact what can only be an assertion!

 I can on here and ask Brownie for an example of her statement and she has fled she claims to be a Christian she says we have extreme christians explain she has fled and YOU back her YOU support her mis-information.
~TW~

[floo]

I can on here and ask Brownie for an example of her statement and she has fled she claims to be a Christian she says we have extreme christians explain she has fled and YOU back her YOU support her mis-information.
~TW~

Your faith position is VERY EXTREME, you threatening non believers like myself, with the mythical tortures of hell, which you can't substantiate with any verifiable evidence. What is the aim of your presence on this forum, being a very silly WUM, or trying to bludgeon people into accepting your very sick version of religion?

Brownie is a decent moderate Christian, so are a number of others on this forum, you certainly don't come into that category.

[~TW~]

Your faith position is VERY EXTREME, you threatening non believers like myself, with the mythical tortures of hell, which you can't substantiate with any verifiable evidence. What is the aim of your presence on this forum, be a very silly WUM, or try to bludgeon people into accepting your very sick version of religion?

Brownie is a decent moderate Christian, so are a number of others on this forum, you certainly don't come into that category.

You make things up as you so along .Your view is {with no evidence to support} that Jesus never spoke of hell your words he is an ok guy,but when someone comes along {like me} and says Jesus is Lord and spoke more about hell then anyone else.

 You stick both fingers in your ears and shout fundie and stamp your feet. A clear case of self deception. Moderator: content removed.

~TW~

[BeRational]

You make things up as you so along .Your view is {with no evidence to support} that Jesus never spoke of hell your words he is an ok guy,but when someone comes along {like me} and says Jesus is Lord and spoke more about hell then anyone else.

 You stick both fingers in your ears and shout fundie and stamp your feet. A clear case of self deception. Moderator: quoted content removed.

~TW~

You don't know what Jesus ever said or did. You rely on other people to have written down accurately these things.

How can you be sure they did not lie, embelish, or make honest mistakes?

[~TW~]

You don't know what Jesus ever said or did. You rely on other people to have written down accurately these things.

How can you be sure they did not lie, embelish, or make honest mistakes?

 Same old argument BR you prove he did not say it.Case closed.
~TW~

[Shaker]

Same old argument BR you prove he did not say it.Case closed.
~TW~

Why is it that when Hope isn't around there's always somebody else to take up his favourite fallacy?

Do you accept literally everything as true until and unless there's explicit proof against, ~TW~? Because that's the logical outcome of your illogical stance.

[ippy]

Why is it that when Hope isn't around there's always somebody else to take up his favourite fallacy?

Do you accept literally everything as true until and unless there's explicit proof against, ~TW~? Because that's the logical outcome of your illogical stance.

At least ~TW~'s got an excuse Shakes, Hope hasn't.

ippy

[floo]

You make things up as you so along .Your view is {with no evidence to support} that Jesus never spoke of hell your words he is an ok guy,but when someone comes along {like me} and says Jesus is Lord and spoke more about hell then anyone else.

 You stick both fingers in your ears and shout fundie and stamp your feet. A clear case of self deception. Moderator: quoted content removed.

~TW~

Where did I say Jesus never spoke of hell? You have just made that one up! Jesus could have spoken about it all he liked, it still doesn't make it a reality! Moderator: content removed.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Could we please stop referring to other members in terms that imply mental illness - I'm going to mod a couple of recent posts on this basis.

[bluehillside Retd.]

ipster,

At least ~TW~'s got an excuse Shakes, Hope hasn't.

Ignorance is no excuse. The point though about T(roll)W, Hope et al is that, however bad their arguments, they just don't care. See, they know - they really, really know at least in their heads, and the fact that any attempt to demonstrate their confidence in that knowledge collapses immediately into logical fallacies matters to them not a jot. They just ignore the problem, divert the conversation away from it and hope no-one notices. Then, when it's all gone quiet for a bit, they sneak back and attempt the same bad thinking that undermined them the last time.   

And that's the mistake of the more rational here I think. We assume that, if you explain why 2+2=4 and not 5 using argument, evidence, reason etc then the 2+2=5 claimant will just change his mind. When it comes to religious belief though, he won't. Never ever ever. No matter how bad the arguments for it, it's hard wired and that's all there is to it.

Depressing innit?

[ippy]

Brownie you write ---We are relatively indifferent here, as long as no-one is extreme they're Ok.
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 In your own words what does extreme mean.Please give examples.

  ~TW~

You.

ippy

[jjohnjil]

ipster,

Ignorance is no excuse. The point though about T(roll)W, Hope et al is that, however bad their arguments, they just don't care. See, they know - they really, really know at least in their heads, and the fact that any attempt to demonstrate their confidence in that knowledge collapses immediately into logical fallacies matters to them not a jot. They just ignore the problem, divert the conversation away from it and hope no-one notices. Then, when it's all gone quiet for a bit, they sneak back and attempt the same bad thinking that undermined them the last time.   

And that's the mistake of the more rational here I think. We assume that, if you explain why 2+2=4 and not 5 using argument, evidence, reason etc then the 2+2=5 claimant will just change his mind. When it comes to religious belief though, he won't. Never ever ever. No matter how bad the arguments for it, it's hard wired and that's all there is to it.

Depressing innit?

I think it has to be realised that all religions build a wall around their followers  Satan has this job to try to undermine the Faith and so all arguments are obviously old Nick doing his dirty work. 

This is why it's all water off a duck's back to TW, Hope, Alien et al.     

[~TW~]

I think it has to be realised that all religions build a wall around their followers  Satan has this job to try to undermine the Faith and so all arguments are obviously old Nick doing his dirty work. 

This is why it's all water off a duck's back to TW, Hope, Alien et al.     

 Yes the way I see it in a few years time this country will have an all Muslim Government so all under Sharia law you atheist will suffer badly hands chopped off and so on probably murdered and then hell the Christian Gods hell so give it time remember you were warned.
~TW~

[bluehillside Retd.]

jj,

I think it has to be realised that all religions build a wall around their followers  Satan has this job to try to undermine the Faith and so all arguments are obviously old Nick doing his dirty work. 

This is why it's all water off a duck's back to TW, Hope, Alien et al.

Well, maybe Satan is keen for people not to believe in God so he sends these people as his little helpers to make such unwittingly bad arguments that many who would convert are so alienated by them they they won't. Why though wouldn't this God just send a few posters this way who can make logically coherent arguments to redress the balance? Too busy giving brain cancer to babies and wiping out villages with tsunamis I guess.

[~TW~]

jj,

Well, maybe Satan is keen for people not to believe in God so he sends these people as his little helpers to make such unwittingly bad arguments that many who would convert are so alienated by them they they won't. Why though wouldn't this God just send a few posters this way who can make logically coherent arguments to redress the balance? Too busy giving brain cancer to babies or wiping out villages with tsunamis I guess.

  Yes the way I see it in a few years time this country will have an all Muslim Government so all under Sharia law you atheist will suffer badly hands chopped off and so on probably murdered and then hell the Christian Gods hell so give it time remember you were warned.
~TW~
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[bluehillside Retd.]

Yes the way I see it in a few years time this country will have an all Muslim Government so all under Sharia law you atheist will suffer badly hands chopped off and so on probably murdered and then hell the Christian Gods hell so give it time remember you were warned.

QED

[BeRational]

Same old argument BR you prove he did not say it.Case closed.
~TW~

I don't need to that's just the way it is with logic.

Jesus did and said NOTHING until you provide the evidence that he did.

If you cannot do that, then the default positions stands.