A very disturbing story!

[Shaker]

It's a pretty significant psychological adjustment for most - it takes some getting used to. I'm a little surprised that more people don't experience problems than actually do.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yeah, the -ologies are OK - they have the tools in place to be able to sift claims and sort out the most probably true from the most probably false, etc.

Go on then.........oh and this time show your working out.

Yours not holding his breath Vlad.

[Rhiannon]

It's a pretty significant psychological adjustment for most - it takes some getting used to. I'm a little surprised that more people don't experience problems than actually do.

I'm not sure that everyone really does it - I think for a lot of people it's thinking nice thoughts.

Something else that isn't good in the mix is when a spiritual element gets thrown in - that God will speak through the silence. That can be very disturbing.

[Shaker]

Go on then.........oh and this time show your working out.

Go on then what?

Yours not holding his breath Vlad.

Oh, can't you try?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Go on then what?
Oh, can't you try?

No it might be fatal to me .........but not to someone who talks out their arse......eh, Shaker

[Brownie]

I'm not sure that everyone really does it - I think for a lot of people it's thinking nice thoughts.

Something else that isn't good in the mix is when a spiritual element gets thrown in - that God will speak through the silence. That can be very disturbing.

I've not heard of that Rhiannon though I imagine some types of meditation do entail listening to your unconscious.  Mindfulness is quite gentle though - I don't do it, I'm not actually very good at that sort of thing, but I have a couple of books about it which I find interesting, and a colouring book.  I would like to do it but my mind wanders all the time, I get no further than the breathing. Pity it is fashionable atm, I must admit I didn't know that when I first read about it but I'm never very up to date. 

Anything that requires some psychological discipline could be problematic for some but they can always stop doing it if it doesn't suit them, like any exercise.  People have different limits.  If a person practices this religiously, ie they feel they have to do certain mental exercises every day, maybe at certain times or in a particular order, that's not what it's about.  It's a chore rather than something done freely.

Sass, your post was very interesting and quite moving.  I didn't know all that, thanks for sharing it. What you said about doctors is quite true, there is certainly no one rule for all.  So I guess you would not be keen on homeopathy which Sririam wrote about, but it works for him.  I wouldn't fancy it for depression frankly.

I have to say, when I read the BHA article about depression, it described some digestive and other physical symptoms which were almost exactly what I have had over the past few days.  Spooky or what?  I've felt quite depressed since reading that  , if I could sleep I'd be happier but I'm glad not to have headache, diarrhoea and nausea any more.

[floo]

I rarely take medication of any sort, including painkillers, most don't agree with me. I had to come off statins after they did my liver no favours.

[Sriram]

And some incredibly damaging. Do you know which is which?

For example, religious ritual can be dangerous for people with OCD and Shaker alerted us to research showing that mindfulness can be dangerous for people with a tendency to bipolar and PTSD.

In terms of complementary therapies replacing medication with homeopathy is known to be dangerous. Herbal medicine can be effective but the interactions aren't always understood. The same applies to aromatherapy.

That's not to say medical science offers things that are universally safe. I've had some horrific experiences taking prescription medication, including feeling suicidal.

There is very little point in highlighting all the exceptions.  Yes...all alternative medicines don't work equally well.....just as all modern medicines don''t work equally well.  Some of them produce ill effects in some people. Statins, antibiotics...even paracetamol and aspirin create problems sometimes.

Mindful meditation creates problems for some people, religious practices create problems for some people, Yoga creates problems for some people....and so on.

Even normal food items create problems in some people. Peanuts don't agree with some people, wheat does not agree with some people, almonds  do not agree with some people. and even many fruits and vegetables don't agree with some people. Some people are allergic to light! 

We could go on........

The point is that there are many people with mental illnesses for whom alternative medicines and religious/spiritual practices help a lot.

[SweetPea]

I agree, Sriram. It's a very individual thing. I was poorly throughout my teens with manic depression and latterly hospitalised for two years. My faith and talking to God/Jesus was an absolute saving grace.

One of my lads was treated very successfully by homeopathy for eczema. In answer to your question, Brownie, as to how does it work... all that is required is the energy pattern of the substance being used. That is why so little water is required to carry the transfer. 

[Rhiannon]

One of my children had severe eczema as a baby and toddler. One day it just went away.

A miracle? Or just the fact that many small children outgrow eczema as they get older?

[Sriram]

One of my children had severe eczema as a baby and toddler. One day it just went away.

A miracle? Or just the fact that many small children outgrow eczema as they get older?

Why do you want to pass a judgement on SweetPea's experience?  I have more than 30 years experience with homeopathy and I can vouch for its efficacy in certain areas. I am sure SweetPea's case was cured due to homeopathy.

[SweetPea]

One of my children had severe eczema as a baby and toddler. One day it just went away.

A miracle? Or just the fact that many small children outgrow eczema as they get older?

This wasn't childhood eczema, though, my son was seventeen. The steroid creams make the eczema disappear but when you stop using them eventually the eczema returns. We noticed a difference in my son's condition almost over night. It's about treating the cause and not just the symptom.

[floo]

One of my children had severe eczema as a baby and toddler. One day it just went away.

A miracle? Or just the fact that many small children outgrow eczema as they get older?

Sadly my youngest daughter didn't!

[Brownie]

That was adult eczema SP.  I don't normally pass on tips but this is something that really works, not just for eczema but for any type of skin rash (even psoriasis), as long as the skin isn't broken.  Oil of evening Primrose applied to the affected area.  It really does clear things up quickly and is far better than any steroid cream.

Anyway, that's my bit on skin.

I still don't know what homeopathic thing I'd use for depression SP.  I mentioned the Arsenic stuff that I read about on the BHA site but it all sounds a bit vague and even dangerous.  I don't doubt your son's eczema cleared up with homeopathy though - well, it obviously did.  Marvellous!

I'm glad your faith was of such help to you with your manic depression SP.  It must have been horrible to be hospitalised, that's quite unusual nowadays (I wouldn't mind if I had own en suite room, TV, wifi and nice food  .  I am jesting, I know it is a serious subject), and it sounds like you were away for a long time.  Presumably you were being given medication and other treatment during your stay.

floo, I'm glad you stopped taking statins.  They are quite lethal, can also make joints ache a lot so I'm told. I wouldn't touch them. Milk thistle, plant sterols and Resveratrol work better without side effects.  Goodness I am dishing out stuff today, I don't make a habit of it but I know these things don't harm.

Just seen your post about your youngest daughter's eczema, sorry about that.  I hope it doesn't weep, floo, and only flares up occasionally.  I still get it sometimes at 66 but only small bits, as I said the Evening Primrose oil works wonders.

I said I was feeling better and nearly fell asleep a little while ago but the doorbell woke me; I didn't answer it, probably someone selling.   I actually had something to eat, first thing since Friday!  It was cottage pie that John made yesterday, very nice, I put a small portion in the microwave.  It was really a small portion and I couldn't eat any more, I don't want to make myself sick and I do now feel a bit bloated (almost wish I hadn't eaten anything) - but I'll be OK.  I must have a shower but can't bring myself to move just yet!  I'm home alone, John is out car rallying, so I can please myself.

[SweetPea]

Glad you are feeling better, Brownie, sounds as though you have had a bout of something very unpleasant.

I won't go into my illness again.... I spoke about it here in some detail a while back. Just to say, I was poorly in the '60s initially before the dawn of (the wonderful) Lithium Carbonate. But, oh gosh, mine was rather a 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' experience, with a Nurse Ratched thrown in, too.... the ward sister was quite a sergeant major.

I wouldn't like to comment on what homeopathic remedy could be used for depression.... perhaps Sriram has some ideas.

Btw: just to say, my two sons are in their mid-thirties but I still refer to them as my lads! 

[Sriram]

That was adult eczema SP.  I don't normally pass on tips but this is something that really works, not just for eczema but for any type of skin rash (even psoriasis), as long as the skin isn't broken.  Oil of evening Primrose applied to the affected area.  It really does clear things up quickly and is far better than any steroid cream.

Anyway, that's my bit on skin.

I still don't know what homeopathic thing I'd use for depression SP.  I mentioned the Arsenic stuff that I read about on the BHA site but it all sounds a bit vague and even dangerous.  I don't doubt your son's eczema cleared up with homeopathy though - well, it obviously did.  Marvellous!

I'm glad your faith was of such help to you with your manic depression SP.  It must have been horrible to be hospitalised, that's quite unusual nowadays (I wouldn't mind if I had own en suite room, TV, wifi and nice food  .  I am jesting, I know it is a serious subject), and it sounds like you were away for a long time.  Presumably you were being given medication and other treatment during your stay.

floo, I'm glad you stopped taking statins.  They are quite lethal, can also make joints ache a lot so I'm told. I wouldn't touch them. Milk thistle, plant sterols and Resveratrol work better without side effects.  Goodness I am dishing out stuff today, I don't make a habit of it but I know these things don't harm.

Just seen your post about your youngest daughter's eczema, sorry about that.  I hope it doesn't weep, floo, and only flares up occasionally.  I still get it sometimes at 66 but only small bits, as I said the Evening Primrose oil works wonders.

I said I was feeling better and nearly fell asleep a little while ago but the doorbell woke me; I didn't answer it, probably someone selling.   I actually had something to eat, first thing since Friday!  It was cottage pie that John made yesterday, very nice, I put a small portion in the microwave.  It was really a small portion and I couldn't eat any more, I don't want to make myself sick and I do now feel a bit bloated (almost wish I hadn't eaten anything) - but I'll be OK.  I must have a shower but can't bring myself to move just yet!  I'm home alone, John is out car rallying, so I can please myself.

Brownie,

If you still have a problem with depression please consult a qualified homeopath. I am sure it'll help significantly. Don't take any drugs on your own.

I do self medicate....but very carefully and after many years of study and  experimentation with the drugs. I do visit a qualified homeopath whenever I need to....besides normal mainstream doctors, of course.

Don't worry about how it works. We may find out some time in the future. The point is that it works for certain illnesses almost miraculously. 

And don't go for the 'placebo' explanation....because no one really knows what a placebo actually is. Its just a word people throw about to explain away anything they don't understand.

Cheers.

Sriram

[Rhiannon]

Sadly my youngest daughter didn't!

Has she had patch testing done? Best way to control dermatitis in adulthood is to find out which allergen is triggering it. If it's more chronic dry skin then coconut oil is good. You can buy big pots of it in supermarkets.

[Brownie]

Thanks Sririam.  I certainly won't self medicate (been there and done that), I'll consider consulting a qualified homeopath.

Bless you SP, I won't pry any more.  Glad the Lithium worked for you - there's a song called 'Lithium' by Nirvana.  Isn't good for everyone but every patient is different, it must be marvellous to find something that is effective.

I have one child 36, a smashing lad! 
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Just saw your post Rhiannon.  I really don't want to contradict you because of course you are right about an allergen but the problem is, there is often more than one allergen and often nothing can be isolated (I've had all that).   Just to add, I am allergic to coconut oil and cocoa butter  .  We can't win can we?

[Rhiannon]

Why do you want to pass a judgement on SweetPea's experience?  I have more than 30 years experience with homeopathy and I can vouch for its efficacy in certain areas. I am sure SweetPea's case was cured due to homeopathy.

I was offering my own experience which could be easily given a woo explanation. It's easy to attribute a cure to prayer, or homeopathy, or consulting star charts, when actually it is a part of a natural healing process. What else could have happened when SP's son got better? A placebo effect? A stress reduction? Changing washing powders or clothing fabrics? A change in toiletries?

[Rhiannon]

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Just saw your post Rhiannon.  I really don't want to contradict you because of course you are right about an allergen but the problem is, there is often more than one allergen and often nothing can be isolated (I've had all that).   Just to add, I am allergic to coconut oil and cocoa butter  .  We can't win can we?

Were you diagnosed in a hospital or a complementary clinic? I only ask because I have friends who use the latter and end up 'allergic' to so many things based on hair analysis or kinesiology.

I was patch tested in hospital and my consultant dermatologist said that creams and moisturisers are management strategies until testing can be carried out and allergens eliminated. It turned out that I'm allergic to formaldehyde - Google it to see what I need to avoid - although mine is at the milder end of what can be the most horrific allergy to have. It never goes away and I have to be vigilant all the time. But it is what it is.

[Brownie]

NHS clinic.  I have ideas about what I am allergic to, I have had a couple of very bad allergic skin reactions, each lasting approximately 3.5 months.  Very decorative I was!  It was painful too.  It certainly has a stress/emotional component.  I know how to head it off now.

Eczema I get occasionally, had it as a baby.  It went and then came back but only little bits.  Fingers, legs, back of ears once - but it isn't bad like when I was little.  I haven't had it for a long time.

Sririam, I looked up a qualified homeopath on the BHA site and, lo and behold, there is one down the road and I know him slightly.  He works at a clinic and is a podiatrist, he does my old man's feet!

Mr Anthony Saunders BSc(Hons)Pod.Studies D.Pod.M LFHom(Pod)Chislehurst Clinic Ltd
69 High Street
Chislehurst
Kent
BR7 5AG
   Distance: < 1 mile
Registration: Faculty of Homeopathy
t: 020 8467 1910
e: chislehurstclinic.co.uk

I was wondering if he only does homeopathy on feet in view of this: LFHom(Pod).  I can only ask.
He also does Morris dancing apparently, well it figures.  Used to go to festivals in a VW camper.  I know all this because he chats to John as he chops and files away, they talk about cars.
I might give the clinic a ring tomorrow.

[Sriram]

Hi Brownie,

Its nice that you found a homeopath very near your home.  You could ask him about your depression and allergies.  I am sure it'll help.

You must remember that in homeopathy....you often need to try different drugs before hitting on the right one. It depends on how closely your symptoms match the drug selected. So...you may have to continue seeing the practitioner again and again if your problem persists or gets aggravated or some other symptom arises. The drug or the potency may have to be changed. 

Go through my article in detail for further info.

Good luck and Good night!

Sriram

[Brownie]

Thanks, I'll let you know if I pursue it.
Later:  Don't think Mr Saunders will do, he is a corn, bunion and heel pain man!  http://www.chislehurst-clinic.co.uk/news/team/tony-saunders
I'll look around for someone else.

[ippy]

NHS clinic.  I have ideas about what I am allergic to, I have had a couple of very bad allergic skin reactions, each lasting approximately 3.5 months.  Very decorative I was!  It was painful too.  It certainly has a stress/emotional component.  I know how to head it off now.

Eczema I get occasionally, had it as a baby.  It went and then came back but only little bits.  Fingers, legs, back of ears once - but it isn't bad like when I was little.  I haven't had it for a long time.

Sririam, I looked up a qualified homeopath on the BHA site and, lo and behold, there is one down the road and I know him slightly.  He works at a clinic and is a podiatrist, he does my old man's feet!

Mr Anthony Saunders BSc(Hons)Pod.Studies D.Pod.M LFHom(Pod)Chislehurst Clinic Ltd
69 High Street
Chislehurst
Kent
BR7 5AG
   Distance: < 1 mile
Registration: Faculty of Homeopathy
t: 020 8467 1910
e: chislehurstclinic.co.uk

I was wondering if he only does homoeopathy on feet in view of this: LFHom(Pod).  I can only ask.
He also does Morris dancing apparently, well it figures.  Used to go to festivals in a VW camper.  I know all this because he chats to John as he chops and files away, they talk about cars.
I might give the clinic a ring tomorrow.

The key word in those addresses 'chisle', think you may have missed it Brownie.

ippy

[Brownie]

What, like, ''Chisle my Nizzle'', ippy? (Urban)