The Moon Landings: fact vs fiction.

[Harrowby Hall]

Sass

Sebastian Toe and others have pointed out that "A Planet Truth" is a website devoted to proclaiming that Earth is not a sphere but flat. A brief glance through some of the items it contains include the assertion that gravity does not exist, that dinosaurs never existed and that Diana was pregnant with her lover's "half Arab" baby. It opposes vaccination and promotes astrology.

I think that you have deluded yourself into believing that it is a serious website, a website of record, a website of veracity. It isn't.

It is a blog.

It is a private website which does nothing more than provide a platform for its author's obsessions. And in addition, the identity of the author is not disclosed. You have no idea who he or she (or them) is (or are). The blog's material (on the basis of a brief perusal) comes from rumour, from innuendo, from statements by aggrieved individuals and, when referenced, from other equally dubious sources. There is considerable reliance on the supernatural and the occult. It is not evidence-based.

You don't even know what the motives of the author are - he or she or they may actually be writing a spoof blog just to see how many credulous idiots they can fool.

Are you really so credulous that you will accept a source - such as this - as evidence that the moon landings never took place?

[Sebastian Toe]

Are you really so credulous that you will accept a source - such as this - as evidence that the moon landings never took place?

It suits her agenda, so yes IMO!

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Actually....this is an interesting issue.

You guys keep talking of evidence and proof all the time. But how exactly will you prove to an adamant, skeptical and disbelieving person that the moon landing actually happened?

Everyone knows it happened. It was a major event witnessed by all around the world, billions of dollars were spent, photographs and videos were taken, astronauts are available to share their experiences. And yet, you will not be able to prove without any doubt to a stubborn and skeptical person that it actually happened. 

Cheers.

Sriram

[Stranger]

You guys keep talking of evidence and proof all the time. But how exactly will you prove to an adamant, skeptical and disbelieving person that the moon landing actually happened?

Everyone knows it happened. It was a major event witnessed by all around the world, billions of dollars were spent, photographs and videos were taken, astronauts are available to share their experiences. And yet, you will not be able to prove without any doubt to a stubborn and skeptical person that it actually happened. 

It's quite simple, really. Some people take evidence seriously and others do not. Hence, we can have the same person (notably Sassy on this thread) who is, on the one hand, unable to accept the overwhelming evidence for the Moon landings, but on the other, willing to accept her notion of god without the hint of a suggestion of any evidence.

It is a case of stubborn, blind faith over reason and evidence (and rational scepticism).

[floo]

It beggars belief that Sass will disbelieve the moon landings, but accept as factual the much less than credible scenarios in the Bible.

Sometimes I think she makes her daft statements just so that she gets attention.

[Brownie]

I think she means it, floo, and feels that we have all been deceived.  Maybe not 'we' because I'm not sure about it, neither do I care.  However there are those who feel quite strongly that a deception of that magnitude - if it was the case - must be exposed because it is an insult to everyone, and sets a precedent for far more serious things.  We can't argue with the sentiment even if we don't agree with that particular conspiracy theory.
There's nothing wrong with arguing the truth of the moon landings anyway, plenty do, not just on forums.  There is plenty of food for thought.

[Sriram]

I think she means it, floo, and feels that we have all been deceived.  Maybe not 'we' because I'm not sure about it, neither do I care.  However there are those who feel quite strongly that a deception of that magnitude - if it was the case - must be exposed because it is an insult to everyone, and sets a precedent for far more serious things.  We can't argue with the sentiment even if we don't agree with that particular conspiracy theory.
There's nothing wrong with arguing the truth of the moon landings anyway, plenty do, not just on forums.  There is plenty of food for thought.

Yes...this brings out the rather tricky issue of evidence and proof. Habitual skepticism can deny anything under the sun and there is nothing the others can do to convince such people. It is a stale mate. Both sides have to be content calling the other side 'a bunch of fools'! That's it.

There is nothing called 'evidence' per se. Its a matter of perception and how much we are willing, and capable, of  making the connection between certain observations and certain unseen phenomena.

Some people can keep denying something that is obvious to most others and there is nothing anyone can do about it. 

[floo]

I think she means it, floo, and feels that we have all been deceived.  Maybe not 'we' because I'm not sure about it, neither do I care.  However there are those who feel quite strongly that a deception of that magnitude - if it was the case - must be exposed because it is an insult to everyone, and sets a precedent for far more serious things.  We can't argue with the sentiment even if we don't agree with that particular conspiracy theory.
There's nothing wrong with arguing the truth of the moon landings anyway, plenty do, not just on forums.  There is plenty of food for thought.

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

[Stranger]

There is nothing called 'evidence' per se. Its a matter of perception and how much we are willing, and capable, of  making the connection between certain observations and certain unseen phenomena.

Nonsense. There is undeniably plentiful evidence for the Moon landings. Those who deny they happened are forced to posit a massive conspiracy and claim that said evidence has been faked - not that there isn't any.

How (and why!?) they think this happened and how it has been kept going for the best part of 50 years, is quite beyond me.

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/featured_sites#ApolloLandingSites
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35411684

Some people can keep denying something that is obvious to most others and there is nothing anyone can do about it. 

Yes Sriram, I've noticed.

[wigginhall]

Ultimately, it's an attack on science, isn't it?   It's like saying that evolution hasn't been proved, or that the climate isn't really changing.    Of course, people are perfectly free to believe bollocks like this, but keep it out of education!

[Sriram]

Yes Sriram, I've noticed.

No ....you haven't!

[Rhiannon]

One of my favourite films is In The Shadow of the Moon. The human story behind the lunar landings is every bit as compelling as evidence as bits of moon rock, as far as I'm concerned.

[Shaker]

No ....you haven't!

Pretty sure he has, as have many of us here.

We see it every day, after all.

[Maeght]

Sriram of course is making a point about those who are skeptical about NDEs indicating survival of consciousness after death and the like.

[Stranger]

Sriram of course is making a point about those who are skeptical about NDEs indicating survival of consciousness after death and the like.

You think?

[Maeght]

You think?

I said 'of course'.

[Sriram]

Sriram of course is making a point about those who are skeptical about NDEs indicating survival of consciousness after death and the like.

You noticed?!! Thanks! 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Fellow Tinfoil Hat Wearers,

Moon Landings, totally fiction, show me one photo of an astronut shaking the hand of a Clanger, you can't!! case closed.

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

I said 'of course'.

Rightly so!   

Our Sriram's woo-peddling isn't exactly subtle and nuanced.

[Stranger]

Moon Landings, totally fiction, show me one photo of an astronut shaking the hand of a Clanger, you can't!! case closed.

Wow, never thought of that! Much more sane, reasoned and considered than all the arguments I've seen before.

Perhaps I should reconsider...   

[floo]

Wow, never thought of that! Much more sane, reasoned and considered than all the arguments I've seen before.

Perhaps I should reconsider...   

[Brownie]

Dear Fellow Tinfoil Hat Wearers,

Moon Landings, totally fiction, show me one photo of an astronut shaking the hand of a Clanger, you can't!! case closed.

Gonnagle.

Clangers live underground most of the time, they came up after the astronauts had left.  Everyone knows that!

[SqueakyVoice]

Good grief. Could this get any more ridiculous?

Of course there aren't any pictures of the clangers shaking hands with astronauts.

The clangers don't live on the moon. They live on "a small moon like planet."

I mean, what are the odds of the US sending a man to the moon at the same time as the Clangers Space Agency sent a clanger there...?

The words, "whuu whu whuuu whuu whu whu wu whuu-uu, whuu whuu-whu whuu whu whuu-uuwhuu." were the first ever said on the surface of the moon, but the absence of any soup wells soon lead to the cancellation of the clanger space program.

[jeremyp]

Dear Fellow Tinfoil Hat Wearers,

Moon Landings, totally fiction, show me one photo of an astronut shaking the hand of a Clanger, you can't!! case closed.

Gonnagle.

The Clangers don't live on the Moon

[Sebastian Toe]

The Clangers don't live on the Moon

Humans don't live there either!