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Sebastian Toe

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Re: The Moon Landings: fact vs fiction.
« Reply #200 on: October 03, 2016, 06:48:41 PM »
I guess the truth is the scientist have evidence and you choose to ignore them because you want to believe.

I would choose to ignore them because there are people who are first hand witnesses to he moon landings.
The men who actually went there.

Why don't you see what they have to say on the matter.
Some of them are even Christians. Do you think they are liars?
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« Reply #201 on: October 03, 2016, 09:49:30 PM »

I would choose to ignore them because there are people who are first hand witnesses to he moon landings.
The men who actually went there.

Why don't you see what they have to say on the matter.
Some of them are even Christians. Do you think they are liars?


If I remember rightly John Glenn became a minister of religion after his moon walk.
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« Reply #202 on: October 04, 2016, 12:00:42 AM »
In some ways, their becoming religious could be said to be a reaction to the vastness of it all.

It must have been quite something to look back to the earth and realise everything of value to you was there on that small blue ball in the vastness of space.

I think it would put any issues in proportion.

I think I'd suffer from a huge case of homesickness.

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« Reply #203 on: October 04, 2016, 08:43:10 AM »
In some ways, their becoming religious could be said to be a reaction to the vastness of it all.

It must have been quite something to look back to the earth and realise everything of value to you was there on that small blue ball in the vastness of space.

I think it would put any issues in proportion.

I think I'd suffer from a huge case of homesickness.

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Didn't one astronaut quoe from Genesis - "in the beginning . . . " - when he looked back at Earth from space for the first time?

Being they were American I would say they needed no religious revelations.
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« Reply #204 on: October 04, 2016, 09:08:27 AM »
I think the possibility that the moon landings were fiction are virtually nil.

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« Reply #205 on: October 04, 2016, 12:57:15 PM »
Particular if a Spar chain is started.
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« Reply #206 on: October 04, 2016, 04:01:12 PM »
If I remember rightly John Glenn became a minister of religion after his moon walk.

Be careful. Be very careful.

You are feeding Sassy with misinformation. In order for John Glenn to have walked on the Moon he would have needed very, very, very long legs. Legs about a quarter of a million miles long, in fact. Not only that, he would have to have been brought back from retirement.

John Glenn was the first US astronaut in space (although Sassy will probably tell us that no American has ever been into space). He never escaped Earth orbit, nor did he ever leave his capsule.

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« Reply #207 on: October 04, 2016, 05:40:36 PM »

Be careful. Be very careful.

You are feeding Sassy with misinformation. In order for John Glenn to have walked on the Moon he would have needed very, very, very long legs. Legs about a quarter of a million miles long, in fact. Not only that, he would have to have been brought back from retirement.

John Glenn was the first US astronaut in space (although Sassy will probably tell us that no American has ever been into space). He never escaped Earth orbit, nor did he ever leave his capsule.


My most sincere apologies for my error of fact!

Charles Duke became a committed Christian after his Apollo 16 flight, and is active in prison ministry.

After his retirement as a Colonel in 1972, James Irwin (Apollo 15) spent the next 20 years as a "Goodwill Ambassador for the Prince of Peace", stating that "Jesus walking on the earth is more important than man walking on the moon". He frequently spoke about how his experiences in space had made God more real to him than before.

Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat, Turkey, in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the descent and had to be transported down the mountain on horseback. In More Than Earthlings, Irwin wrote expressing his view that the Genesis creation narrative was real, literal history.

I knew that at least one astronaut who had walked on the moon became a minister of religion.
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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Re: The Moon Landings: fact vs fiction.
« Reply #208 on: October 04, 2016, 07:08:40 PM »
My most sincere apologies for my error of fact!

Charles Duke became a committed Christian after his Apollo 16 flight, and is active in prison ministry.

After his retirement as a Colonel in 1972, James Irwin (Apollo 15) spent the next 20 years as a "Goodwill Ambassador for the Prince of Peace", stating that "Jesus walking on the earth is more important than man walking on the moon". He frequently spoke about how his experiences in space had made God more real to him than before.

Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat, Turkey, in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the descent and had to be transported down the mountain on horseback. In More Than Earthlings, Irwin wrote expressing his view that the Genesis creation narrative was real, literal history.

I knew that at least one astronaut who had walked on the moon became a minister of religion.
Nah, he must have been telling porkies because Sassy says that some scientists said that the moon landings were not possible and Sassy agrees with them.
And if Sassy says something then it must be 100 percent, incontrovertibly accurate. So there!
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« Reply #209 on: October 04, 2016, 09:38:59 PM »
Air rather than oxygen, as oxygen is of course poisonous.
Oxygen toxicity is only a factor at a partial pressure of about 1.3. Pure oxygen at sea level pressure isn't toxic. It is dangerous, however, as any spark could be dangerous, as Oxygen readily reacts.
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« Reply #210 on: October 04, 2016, 10:54:54 PM »

Nah, he must have been telling porkies because Sassy says that some scientists said that the moon landings were not possible and Sassy agrees with them.
And if Sassy says something then it must be 100 percent, incontrovertibly accurate. So there!


(Insert expletive,or two, of your choice) ask a scientist and not a fundamentalist religious fanatic.
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« Reply #211 on: October 05, 2016, 12:03:24 AM »
Sassy, who are these scientists you keep referring to please. From what I've seen the vast majority of scientists do not think the moon landings couldn't have happened.

You mean you are denying that it is a hoax and have never studied or bothered to make a search of evidence from both sides of the argument for and against.
Sorry! you just lost any credibility. Either do your research or refrain from making arguments you have not the knowledge to make decisions about.
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« Reply #212 on: October 05, 2016, 12:10:22 AM »
You mean you are denying that it is a hoax and have never studied or bothered to make a search of evidence from both sides of the argument for and against.
Sorry! you just lost any credibility. Either do your research or refrain from making arguments you have not the knowledge to make decisions about.
Any credible research would inolve seeing what the people who went to the moon had to say on the matter.
Some of them Christians who after their return actually preached the Gospels and witnessed for Christ.
Would you not think it a good idea to follow that avenue of research?
Unless of course you think that they are liars?
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« Reply #213 on: October 05, 2016, 12:11:54 AM »
If I remember rightly John Glenn became a minister of religion after his moon walk.

Has he spoke about it since?
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« Reply #214 on: October 05, 2016, 12:16:08 AM »
Has he spoke about it since?
That might be difficult as he never actually went to the moon!
Some men who did go to the moon have spoken about it often though.
Maybe you should do some research and see what they had to say?
First hand accounts/ witnesses and all that.
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« Reply #215 on: October 05, 2016, 07:49:16 AM »
You mean you are denying that it is a hoax and have never studied or bothered to make a search of evidence from both sides of the argument for and against.
Sorry! you just lost any credibility. Either do your research or refrain from making arguments you have not the knowledge to make decisions about.

No that is not what I said, and just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I have no knowledge on the subject. I have looked at both sides of the 'argument' and the vast majority of scientists do not think the moon landings couldn't have happened and the evidence presented by those who do think it a hoax can be shown to be incorrect or a misunderstanding.

You keep referring to scientists saying that the moon landings are a hoax and I asked you who it was you were referring to - if you are unable to support your claim it is you who loses credibility.

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« Reply #216 on: October 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM »
I doubt any credible scientist would regard the moon landings as a hoax.

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« Reply #217 on: October 05, 2016, 09:33:53 AM »
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Sorry! you just lost any credibility.

Posted with no discernible trace of self-awareness.
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« Reply #218 on: October 05, 2016, 09:45:12 AM »

You mean you are denying that it is a hoax and have never studied or bothered to make a search of evidence from both sides of the argument for and against.
Sorry! you just lost any credibility. Either do your research or refrain from making arguments you have not the knowledge to make decisions about.


Plagiarist! This is what non-theists have been telling you and your theist cohorts for ages!
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« Reply #219 on: October 05, 2016, 10:43:19 AM »
Any credible research would inolve seeing what the people who went to the moon had to say on the matter.
Some of them Christians who after their return actually preached the Gospels and witnessed for Christ.
Would you not think it a good idea to follow that avenue of research?
Unless of course you think that they are liars?

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Neil Armstrong 1st man.

EDWIN "BUZZ" ALDRIN; CHARLES "PETE" CONRAD; ALAN L. BEAN; ALAN SHEPARD; EDGAR D. MITCHELL; DAVID RANDOLPH SCOTT; JAMES B. IRWIN; JOHN WATTS YOUNG
and CHARLES M. DUKE JR.



Well that does depend doesn't it., was he susceptible to hypnotherapy?

Had you done your research that is any research you would have known  it has been suggested some were killed because they were not susceptible to being hypnosis.
So these men could easily have been hypnotised to believe they did go to the moon.

I thought you had read up on the subject. Above is the list of the 12 Astronauts who are said to have been/ walked on the moon.

Are you seriously going to try and move the goal post. Clearly, you were not aware of what had been said or why.



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Re: The Moon Landings: fact vs fiction.
« Reply #220 on: October 05, 2016, 10:45:43 AM »
Nah, he must have been telling porkies because Sassy says that some scientists said that the moon landings were not possible and Sassy agrees with them.
And if Sassy says something then it must be 100 percent, incontrovertibly accurate. So there!

Why repeat your own untrue thing...
Show me where I said anything must 100 PERCENT to incontrovertibly accurate...
If you can't say anything true then it is best you say NOTHING AT ALL.
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« Reply #221 on: October 05, 2016, 10:48:51 AM »
Please someone make it stop.

It's not nice to see someone make such a complete and utter t.t of themselves.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #222 on: October 05, 2016, 10:59:02 AM »
That might be difficult as he never actually went to the moon!
Some men who did go to the moon have spoken about it often though.
Maybe you should do some research and see what they had to say?
First hand accounts/ witnesses and all that.

But I never suggested he did. It was OWLSWING, I just asked if he had spoken about it since.
Owlswing alleged it, I just asked if he had spoken about it since. Why would anyone think that someone would remember all the names? Why would any honest person write the name of a person who never walked on the moon?
I guess when you are losing then you will say or do anything to protect your beliefs. But deliberate misrepresentation does not win an argument is simply shows lack of truth and ability to win an argument honestly.
You fell into your own trap. This one shows men change the truth in order to make others believe something happened it did not.
Isn't that what the moon landing and walks were also about?

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« Reply #223 on: October 05, 2016, 11:03:02 AM »
No that is not what I said, and just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I have no knowledge on the subject. I have looked at both sides of the 'argument' and the vast majority of scientists do not think the moon landings couldn't have happened and the evidence presented by those who do think it a hoax can be shown to be incorrect or a misunderstanding.

You keep referring to scientists saying that the moon landings are a hoax and I asked you who it was you were referring to - if you are unable to support your claim it is you who loses credibility.

WRONG!
  They tried to re-write science because the scientist proved the clothing and the spaceship could not protect them from the things they would encounter in space. Especially radiation... then they decided to make things up which Physicists
knew was wrong.

The main evidence has not been disputed/proved wrong that the rocket and clothing could not protect them at that time.

No credibility had been lost only mans own inability to prove that he cannot have his cake and halfpenny as well.

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Re: The Moon Landings: fact vs fiction.
« Reply #224 on: October 05, 2016, 11:05:22 AM »
Please someone make it stop.

It's not nice to see someone make such a complete and utter t.t of themselves.


I guess when you are losing then you will say or do anything to protect your beliefs.
The above post proves it.
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