God is being killed

[jeremyp]

By transgender people, apparently.

http://deadstate.org/senior-vatican-official-transgender-rights-are-of-demonic-forces-and-will-bring-the-death-of-god/

According to a prominent Christian (and he should know, right?), God is so puny that a small part of his own creation is killing him.

[Shaker]

Powerful lot for a small segment of the population.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But isn't God already Dead? An antitheist said so so it must be true.

[Shaker]

But isn't God already Dead? An antitheist said so so it must be true.

Seems that Cardinal Sarah hasn't caught on yet

[Khatru]

Fundies want to deny their fellow human beings the same rights they enjoy.

Perhaps they would benefit from a handy reference list telling them what to do:

Male - love them
Female - love them
Unsure - love them
Straight - love then
Gay - love them
Unsure - love them
Sober - love them
Addict - love them
Believer - love them
Unbeliever - love them
Unsure -love them

[Owlswing]

The problem is that the Catholic Church is still trying to force upon the world, by rhetoric if by no other means, an ideology that is 2,000 years old and unchanged over that time. They seem incapable of realising that IF their God wass all-powerful and IF he were as anti-LGBT as they, he could, with a wave of his Almighty hand, wipe LGBT belief fron the world.

He hasn't; therefore he is apparently leaving it as a matter for his children on earth to sort out and they are sorting it out by looking at statements like Cardinal Sarah's, dismissing it, and saying what a load of old rubbish, ignore it, and those propagating it.

This will not mean the death of God, only the death of the God that Catholics believe in.

[Hope]

The problem is that the Catholic Church is still trying to force upon the world, by rhetoric if by no other means, an ideology that is 2,000 years old and unchanged over that time. They seem incapable of realising that IF their God wass all-powerful and IF he were as anti-LGBT as they, he could, with a wave of his Almighty hand, wipe LGBT belief fron the world.

Owl, what's this about LGBT being a belief?

Regarding the ideology that is 2000 years old, the British social system is based on ideology that long pre-dates that period.  Is it time that it was done away with, as well. 

He hasn't; therefore he is apparently leaving it as a matter for his children on earth to sort out and they are sorting it out by looking at statements like Cardinal Sarah's, dismissing it, and saying what a load of old rubbish, ignore it, and those propagating it.

I suppose 'his children on earth' could equally say that all LGBT people had to be put to death (something that has been the case in the past and in various parts of the world).  Can you provide us with any evidence that Jesus taught that, let alone any of the writers of the New Testament documents?

This will not mean the death of God, only the death of the God that Catholics believe in.

Your evidence for this assertion, please.

[Hope]

Fundies want to deny their fellow human beings the same rights they enjoy.

Perhaps they would benefit from a handy reference list telling them what to do:

Male - love them
Female - love them
Unsure - love them
Straight - love then
Gay - love them
Unsure - love them
Sober - love them
Addict - love them
Believer - love them
Unbeliever - love them
Unsure -love them

'Love them' is what Jesus taught, Khat - you're correct; he also taught us to admonish people where they were going wrong.  This is far more loving than that indiscriminate laissez-faire attitude you seem keen to espouse.

[Shaker]

"Going wrong" however is of course mere opinion.

[Sassy]

By transgender people, apparently.

http://deadstate.org/senior-vatican-official-transgender-rights-are-of-demonic-forces-and-will-bring-the-death-of-god/

According to a prominent Christian (and he should know, right?), God is so puny that a small part of his own creation is killing him.

Was Christ a high priest in the normal world of flesh?
Is this man a high priest in the Kingdom of God?

How can anyone kill God?

I am the first and the last the Alpha and the Omega.

God cannot die and trans gender people cannot bring about the fall of anything to do with God.

God is all powerful if man could make God go away then he hadn't managed it in all the centuries since he created mankind.

Whilst these things are not of God they certainly are all of the flesh. The Roman Catholic Church losing it's earthly grip because Gods Kingdom is equal in all mankind.

I cannot believe for one moment anyone who is a child of God accepts this or even believes it can affect Gods Kingdom or Gods people.

[Sassy]

The problem is that the Catholic Church is still trying to force upon the world, by rhetoric if by no other means, an ideology that is 2,000 years old and unchanged over that time. They seem incapable of realising that IF their God wass all-powerful and IF he were as anti-LGBT as they, he could, with a wave of his Almighty hand, wipe LGBT belief fron the world.

He hasn't; therefore he is apparently leaving it as a matter for his children on earth to sort out and they are sorting it out by looking at statements like Cardinal Sarah's, dismissing it, and saying what a load of old rubbish, ignore it, and those propagating it.

It isn't 2,000 years old it started approximately 400 years after Christ.
The Kingdom of God the true Church of God started with Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts when the disciples became the first.

This will not mean the death of God, only the death of the church the  Catholics believe in.

[Sassy]

I find it strange that no one does as that list suggests... here a perfect example.

[Rhiannon]

'Love them' is what Jesus taught, Khat - you're correct; he also taught us to admonish people where they were going wrong.  This is far more loving than that indiscriminate laissez-faire attitude you seem keen to espouse.

How's the plank removal coming along?

[Khatru]

'Love them' is what Jesus taught, Khat - you're correct; he also taught us to admonish people where they were going wrong.  This is far more loving than that indiscriminate laissez-faire attitude you seem keen to espouse.

Except that homosexuality and unbelief aren't, as you say, "going wrong".

That sort of attitude is what you'd expect from primitives who didn't know where the sun went at night, which, co-incidentally is when Christianity began.

[Rhiannon]

Except that homosexuality and unbelief aren't, as you say, "going wrong".

That sort of attitude is what you'd expect from primitives who didn't know where the sun went at night, which, co-incidentally is when Christianity began.

Ah, but homosexuality is fine. It's just homosexual behaviour that Hope hates.

Or so he claims...

Of course it's not remotely hateful to deny the right to fulfilling love that you yourself enjoy. Not in the slightest.

[Sassy]

How's the plank removal coming along?

Can you see the daylight, yet, Rhiannon?

 

[Rhiannon]

I don't live by your god's rules, Sass. Hope does.

[Sassy]

I don't live by your god's rules, Sass. Hope does.

What has that to do with removing the plank?
Unless you are calling yourself a 'ruler' rather than a 'plank'.

[jeremyp]

How can anyone kill God?

You tell me. It was one of your ilk that claimed he is being killed.

[jeremyp]

Regarding the ideology that is 2000 years old, the British social system is based on ideology that long pre-dates that period.

Is it? How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?
 

[Owlswing]

Owl, what's this about LGBT being a belief?

Sorry - this should have read "wipe the belief that LGBT is acceptabvle from the world".

Regarding the ideology that is 2000 years old, the British social system is based on ideology that long pre-dates that period.  Is it time that it was done away with, as well.

Another nonsense argument with no foundation in fact from the King of the Nonzsense argument. 

I suppose 'his children on earth' could equally say that all LGBT people had to be put to death (something that has been the case in the past and in various parts of the world).  Can you provide us with any evidence that Jesus taught that, let alone any of the writers of the New Testament documents?

Isnt there some verse in tyhe bible that states that a man who lays with a man shall be stoned (that is the G in LGBT by the way).

Your evidence for this assertion, please.

The FACT that attachment to Christianity is dropping almost as fast a lead baloon.

[Hope]

Sorry - this should have read "wipe the belief that LGBT is acceptabvle from the world".

Are you really arguing that the idea of LGBT being acceptable should be wiped from the world?     Even I don't do that; I simply argue that homosexuality oughtn't to be regarded as equal to heterosexual marriage.

Another nonsense argument with no foundation in fact from the King of the Nonzsense argument.

So, do you believe that the age-old ideology that regards killing another person in cold blood should be struck out of our legislative material?  Or that the equally age-old belief that theft is a crime should be ditched - especially if it is theft of the kind that is victimless?
 

Isnt there some verse in tyhe bible that states that a man who lays with a man shall be stoned (that is the G in LGBT by the way).

You need to differentiate between the Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian Scriptures (aka the Old Testament and the New Testament respectively), Owl.  At no point in the latter is punishment by stoning considered acceptable.

The FACT that attachment to Christianity is dropping almost as fast a lead baloon.

Currently, the number of Christians is at worst static, and probably growing.  The FACT that it is shrinking in the West could indicate that the West is growing out of a sense of spiritual being, or that it is losing touch with reality.  In view of the growth of other ideas that could be regarded as spiritual in nature, I'd suggest that the latter is probably more likely.

[Shaker]

Are you really arguing that the idea of LGBT being acceptable should be wiped from the world?     Even I don't do that; I simply argue that homosexuality oughtn't to be regarded as equal to heterosexual marriage.

And yet you can't provide a single cogent, coherent, rational reason for this stance.

If there was one, you and your kind would have provided it long ago. As it is, there isn't one.

The good news is that an ever-increasing number of places in the world do treat marriage as an equal matter between heterosexual or homosexual couples, there being every reason to do so and no reason to do otherwise.

The dominoes of anti-gay prejudice are a-falling one by one; your side is losing (cohort replacement, it's called), and there's not a damned thing that you can do about it. When it comes to progressive measures that make people's lives better by offering them more choice and extending their rights, it's safe to say that time and the younger generations are on the right side. Younger people have less time to become ossified by - or indeed enslaved by - unthinking adherence to tradition for the sake of it and are more open-minded.

Currently, the number of Christians is at worst static, and probably growing.

In the First World that's not what the figures say.

The FACT that it is shrinking in the West could indicate that the West is growing out of a sense of spiritual being, or that it is losing touch with reality.

Or that more people know bullshit when they see it.

Or that the material conditions - poor, deprived ones - which are the natural soil for pious, hopeful beliefs about another, better plane of reality without hunger, sickness and want are generally improving.

[Owlswing]

 You need to differentiate between the Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian Scriptures (aka the Old Testament and the New Testament respectively), Owl.

You and Sassy are as hypocritical as each other when it comes to quoting the Bible - the KJV, which you are both so frequently quote, translated both the Old and the New Testaments and, when it suits you both, it means what it says; when it does not suit you you resort to the claim that the words used meant something different when the translation was made.

As I said to Sassy elsewhere, I have had more than enough of the rubbish to which you will resort to try and prove and justify your beliefs and to discredit mine and I cannot be bothered any more as, no matter what arguments are put to you in refutation of your so strongly held load of old rubbish, you refuse point-blank to listen; yoiu respond either with more rubbish or "evidence" from your worldwide contacts in every profession and academic and religious discipline there is, and from your knowledge of the entire world during the time that you have travelled in and worked in every country on the globe.

[Khatru]

Was Christ a high priest in the normal world of flesh?
Is this man a high priest in the Kingdom of God?

How can anyone kill God?

I am the first and the last the Alpha and the Omega.

God cannot die and trans gender people cannot bring about the fall of anything to do with God.

God is all powerful if man could make God go away then he hadn't managed it in all the centuries since he created mankind.

Whilst these things are not of God they certainly are all of the flesh. The Roman Catholic Church losing it's earthly grip because Gods Kingdom is equal in all mankind.

I cannot believe for one moment anyone who is a child of God accepts this or even believes it can affect Gods Kingdom or Gods people.

Do you worship Christ as your god?

Don't Christians say that Christ was killed on the cross?