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Re: God is being killed
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2016, 12:47:21 AM »
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I simply argue that homosexuality oughtn't to be regarded as equal to heterosexual marriage.

Funny I seem to recall you saying that homosexuality was bad for society.

In fact the above statement makes no sense - did you mean to type that homosexual marriage oughtn't to be regarded as equal to heterosexual marriage?

Otherwise you are comparing oranges and wallets.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2016, 08:24:24 AM »
Well it's NOT equal to 'straight' ha ha marriage & is all the better for it.  ;) 8) 8)
We're talking about souls here & unless you want to argue the very moot point of our souls being male or female one should shut one's gob, no !?!?!?

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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2016, 11:01:54 AM »
You tell me. It was one of your ilk that claimed he is being killed.

Hey don't tar me with the same brush...Certainly nothing to do with ilk personal opinion of some so heavenly minded of no earthly use. :)
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2016, 11:05:08 AM »
You and Sassy are as hypocritical as each other when it comes to quoting the Bible - the KJV, which you are both so frequently quote, translated both the Old and the New Testaments and, when it suits you both, it means what it says; when it does not suit you you resort to the claim that the words used meant something different when the translation was made.

As I said to Sassy elsewhere, I have had more than enough of the rubbish to which you will resort to try and prove and justify your beliefs and to discredit mine and I cannot be bothered any more as, no matter what arguments are put to you in refutation of your so strongly held load of old rubbish, you refuse point-blank to listen; yoiu respond either with more rubbish or "evidence" from your worldwide contacts in every profession and academic and religious discipline there is, and from your knowledge of the entire world during the time that you have travelled in and worked in every country on the globe.

Do you ever read your own posts?

I don't have to defend myself against you.

You are your own worst, judge and Jury and even hang yourself to make the mess a full sweep.

There are two things your post show.

1. You don't know the bible or understand the first thing about the Christian Faith.

2. You are only here to attack and try cause disruption.
The fact that you judge, find yourself guilty and hang yourself, is simply a benefit for all who are believers.

Thank you for doing all that for us...Case closed.
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2016, 11:08:49 AM »
Do you worship Christ as your god?

Don't Christians say that Christ was killed on the cross?
Very sneaky Khatru,

But how would you worship Christ as God?

He was flogged and beaten before he died on the cross.
But was it the Romans or the Jews who Killed him?

What was written above his cross... The King of the Jews....

Who do you say he was? Why ask me can you not make your mind up?

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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2016, 01:27:53 PM »
As far as the Jews are concerned, Jesus was a charlatan as he didn't fulfill ALL the Messiah-ship criteria !! Fact ! The penalty was death !

He was viewed as simple another trouble maker by the Romans & they really didn't need any of that.

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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2016, 03:17:52 PM »

As far as the Jews are concerned, Jesus was a charlatan as he didn't fulfill ALL the Messiah-ship criteria !! Fact ! The penalty was death !

He was viewed as simple another trouble maker by the Romans & they really didn't need any of that.


Going back to the title of the thread - Do you think that it is possible that the attitudes of people (Christians) like Sassy, Hope, ~TW~ and Spud et al are contributing to the slow death of their God and the religion that follows him?

The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2016, 03:35:24 PM »
Going back to the title of the thread - Do you think that it is possible that the attitudes of people (Christians) like Sassy, Hope, ~TW~ and Spud et al are contributing to the slow death of their God and the religion that follows him?
It's a contributory factor I'm sure.
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2016, 03:38:30 PM »

It's a contributory factor I'm sure.


Please quantify the size of the contribution? I agree with you, but would like to see if our ideas of just how much difference they make are even close to each other.
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2016, 06:40:10 PM »
As far as the Jews are concerned, Jesus was a charlatan as he didn't fulfill ALL the Messiah-ship criteria !!

Not all of them.

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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2016, 08:21:10 PM »
Owlswing
Yes I sometimes do feel some are just hanging on by their very fingers to a very high precipice.

It had to be ALL or nothing, Vlad. Ask the Jews !!!

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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2016, 08:44:56 PM »
As far as the Jews are concerned, Jesus was a charlatan as he didn't fulfill ALL the Messiah-ship criteria !! Fact ! The penalty was death !

He was viewed as simple another trouble maker by the Romans & they really didn't need any of that.
Nick, I'd agree that Jesus was regarded as a charlatan by the Jewish leaders of the time (though perhaps not by the Jews in general, if the events of Palm Sunday, or the fact that the Friday crowd had to be encouraged to decry him are to be believed).  However, the concept of Messiah had changed following the series of invasions had that started with that of the Assyrians in the 6th century BC, from that of a spiritual saviour to a politicao-military saviour.  He certainly didn't fulfil any of the criteria for this politico-military messiah, but did fulfil all the criteria for the more traditional one.  I suppose it depends on whether politico-military power is the more important.
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2016, 08:49:25 PM »
It had to be ALL or nothing, Vlad. Ask the Jews !!!
Go on then, ask the likes of Paul; Peter and the other disciples; the crowds who followed and listened to Jesus during the 3 years of his ministry; the hundreds of Jews who became believers in the Christian gospel during those early days.  Just because most of the Jewish religious leaders believed that he was a charlatan doesn't mean that other Jews did.
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2016, 09:05:39 PM »
Didn't say they did BUT the ones that 'mattered' obviously did.

The fact any Jews followed him doesn't mean he WAS The Messiah.
I read that the Jews of Jesus' time were expecting a Messiah of the sword not Peace too !!! To rid them of the Romans which, BTW was why they 'needed' a Messiah in the first place, no ???

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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2016, 10:30:42 AM »
Very sneaky Khatru,

But how would you worship Christ as God?

He was flogged and beaten before he died on the cross.
But was it the Romans or the Jews who Killed him?

What was written above his cross... The King of the Jews....

Who do you say he was? Why ask me can you not make your mind up?

Not sneaky at all - just an observation which you appear to be unable to deal with.

You say that Jesus is your lord.

You say that your lord cannot be killed.

You say that Jesus was killed by either the Romans or the Jews.


See your quandary? 

Contradiction remains the foundation of your mythology.



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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2016, 08:26:55 AM »
As far as the Jews are concerned, Jesus was a charlatan as he didn't fulfill ALL the Messiah-ship criteria !! Fact ! The penalty was death !

He was viewed as simple another trouble maker by the Romans & they really didn't need any of that.

But not all jews believed that... in fact the disciples were jews and they spread the word and low and behold we have a christian/jewish faith which is believed in by a third of the worlds population.


So as far as the Jews are concerned we still have messianic jews who believe Christ is the Messiah.
Difficult for you because you just choose what fits your choice of belief. But the truth shows it was the Jews, Christ being a Jew who established the Christian faith. The Messianic reign of Christ the Son of God.
So it is a Jewish religion no matter how you look at it.. grafted into the tree of the Jews. A new covenant to include all as God promises.

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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2016, 08:55:15 AM »
Sorry but WRONG again - Firstly I don't make fact fit MY criteria, unlike some here & secondly
Jesus did NOT come to create the Christian faith - He lived & died a JEW !!!!!!! FACT
So YOU are a Jew, NO ?????

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2016, 09:59:45 AM »


. . . we have a christian/jewish faith which is believed in by a third of the worlds population.


In other words outnumbered two-to-one! Therefore no longer a majority!
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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2016, 10:03:11 AM »

Jesus did NOT come to create the Christian faith - He lived & died a JEW !!!!!!! FACT


Unfortunately this is the one FACT that Christians are still trying to get over. It is also the one that they will never, ever, be able to reconcile with ther neverending drivel.

No matter how they twist it turn it, re-evaluate it, re-write it or re-vomit it!
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2016, 10:56:11 AM »
By transgender people, apparently.

http://deadstate.org/senior-vatican-official-transgender-rights-are-of-demonic-forces-and-will-bring-the-death-of-god/

According to a prominent Christian (and he should know, right?), God is so puny that a small part of his own creation is killing him.

Well if the picture included on the report is anything to go by, I wouldn't worry too much. Obviously the talker was considered a bore. 💤😴😲

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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2016, 05:18:02 PM »
Not sneaky at all - just an observation which you appear to be unable to deal with.

You say that Jesus is your lord.

You say that your lord cannot be killed.

You say that Jesus was killed by either the Romans or the Jews.


See your quandary? 

Contradiction remains the foundation of your mythology.

Careful, Khatru. I think you'll find that Sass believes that Christ was the Son of God, but not God the Son.

Not that it matters a hoot to anyone but her.
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2016, 08:39:39 PM »
How's the plank removal coming along?
You'll need to ask the folk who seem to be blinded by planks, Rhi.  In fact, it would be worth seeing what your own response to the question is.
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« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2016, 08:43:25 PM »
You'll need to ask the folk who seem to be blinded by planks, Rhi.  In fact, it would be worth seeing what your own response to the question is.

I don't live by your god's rules. You do. Not feeling the love there, Hope.

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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2016, 09:24:16 PM »
Regarding the topic title it should be remembered that for much of the 1st Millennium AD Christianity was either marginalised and under persecution or was even non-existent across much of Europe.  This was largely as a result of pressure on and ultimately the collapse of the Roman Empire between 400 and 600 AD from the Huns who were being pushed west by invaders from Mongolia and China.The Huns and other people groups from the East, the steppes and what are now the 'stans' all-but destroyed Christianity n mainland Europe and even England, and the the culture that had existed for 7 or 800 years under the Romans. 

They destroyed the libraries that had been built up over centuries and, if it hadn't been for Christians fleeing from the hordes and taking as many of the books as they could which became the libraries in the Western extremities of the continent - Scotland, Ireland and Wales - much of what we regard as the classics would have disappeared for all time. 

It wasn't until Chritianity began to emerge from the Western fringes and recolonised first England and then the mainland from the West that Europe began to emerge from the Dark Ages - circa 800AD.

Ironically, history tells us that, when Christians are in a minority, Christianity is more effective than when it's in a majority.
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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2016, 08:53:55 AM »
(((((Christianity is more effective than when it's in a majority.)))))

Meaning?