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Dear Udayana, ( forgive me for being nosey, but the source and meaning of your name, just curious )As I have been trying to explain to Berational, the who, why, where, when, what and how.Kipling's Six Honest Serving Men.Where you start, who told the story, the Shaman, the Priest, the Bard, the keepers of history, you need to remember who you are dealing with, these Myths for a long time were not written down, someone had to remember these stories, pass them on to the next generation.I caught a twenty pound Salmon yesterday ( no I don't fish ) but tomorrow that fish will have grown, why, because I am human, it's what we do.You would be out of the Shaman business if your stories were boring.At the time this story was doing the rounds, so I am reliably told by Karen Armstrong, various religions practiced child sacrifice, this was the story tellers way of saying, our religion does not practice child sacrifice.Gonnagle.
My name is just an alias, after this logician:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udayana- Does not mean that I come to the same conclusions though You might be right about the way the story evolved, but then it seems to me to be more a way of recording a change from believing that human sacrifice was required to believing that it was wrong.
Dicky,Perhaps Trollboy got the 20 watt illumination but Sassy got the 40 watt version.Or maybe vice versa.
If that is the case, then the lesson was not quickly learned, since we learn from the Book of Judges that Jephthah was prepared to sacrifice his daughter.
Strange that, Gonners, because I get a totally different message from the same story, and not a very pleasant one at that. So, however it originated, the version we have in Genesis 22 suggests that the writer made a total pig's ear of the story if the original idea was simply to show that your religion did not practise child sacrifice.
Dear enki,True, but you are reading the story through 21st century eye's, imagine yourself back to a time with no written word, no telly, no internet, sitting in a tent, the smell of burning cow dung, your only source of entertainment, the mad Shaman with his wild stories, he may be mad but he is the Holy man, the keeper of your tribes history.Which story do you prefer, look pal we don't sacrifice children, fair enough, calm down mad Holy man, or, remember Abraham, the great Father of our tribe, God tested him, now yer talking Mad Holy man, this is why today ( today being thousands of years ago ) we don't sacrifice children.Gonnagle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UdayanaNot come across this before, thanks, nine centuries of arguing, bloody hell!! better put the kettle on, old Bluehillside thinks it is all done and dusted, I think we have only begun, again
Quite!He actually did kill his daughter, so now I am confused about the message in the book!
Just a thought, from J. B. Jordan and other expositors: In Leviticus 1:5 the "young bull" offered by an Israelite is literally "the son of the herd". A son was taking the Israelite's place. This would remind him of Abraham and Isaac. However, Isaac was not good enough to be a sacrifice. That required a sinless son. So Leviticus shows how the sacrifice of unblemished animals pointed to a sinless son of Abraham who would make the atonement that Isaac was not able to make.
Well a red heifer would be beaten and eaten afterwards, floo. The sacrifices were not wasted.Sacrificing to a deity is an ancient practice which predates Christianity and Judaism. A little bit was always given in thanks or petition, be it livestock from a hunt or fruit and veg.
This particular god acts like some spiteful nasty human at his worst, eh ?!!?!?!?If nothing can affect God in any way then why 'talk' in such a manner !!?!?NUFF SAID !! NO god of mine - Ta very much Nick
In Deuteronomy 32:35, where the quote in the OP comes from, the context is quite important, as it shows that God is made jealous when people give glory that should be his (as our creator) to something else. Verse 21 says, "They made me jealous by what is no god and angered me with their worthless idols". Further, God admits dreading being taunted by "the enemy" (the foreign peoples through whom he punished them) who would give themselves the credit for their success against his people (v.27). Isn't it a bit narrow minded to dismiss him as spiteful or nasty?
Far from it, since this all-powerful god of yours can allegedly create this universe and yet still be upset at not getting all the praise and attention (in addition to doing/arranging a bit of smiting here and there), which sounds more like a self-centred immature teenager than a god.It seems, unsurprisingly, that your god is being portrayed as behaving and reacting just like some people do!
