Len
Having followed your dialogue with Nearly Sane I would hazard that you would like to declare a belief that theists were deliberately making it all up, polity though demands from you that you moderate that to only guessing.
I think Sane points out to you that there is a possibility that theists see their encounter with God as genuine.
Now, what looks like defensiveness on your part is a claim by you to the facts, that weak minded or uneducated people cannot bring themselves to accept.
IMHO that is a comforting belief for you which stops you from considering the next step which is if these people believe on the strength of what they describe as an encounter then maybe they might genuinely hold that rather than by guessing that rational formulas such as Kalam are the correct answer.
Secondly the only ''facts'' you are allowed must be scientific and therefore cannot actually back up or dispute Kalam or any opposition to Kalam although I believe some cosmologists are trying to find some equivalent of the fossil record to knock down God.
