Author Topic: Christians outnumbered by people with no religion, report by senior lecturer  (Read 30465 times)

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
These people already have access to the HOL for doing what they are doing.
How?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

ProfessorDavey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17583
These people already have access to the HOL for doing what they are doing.
Not in the way that the CofE does, which involved automatic membership of the HoLs when a person is appointed to a senior position in a different organisation, in other words the top 26 Bishop roles.

By contrast the Chief Scout doesn't automatically become a member of the HofL when appointed to that role.
Nor the CEO of the RSPB
Nor the CEO of the National Trust
etc, etc

The CofE is afforded a massive special privilege with regard to access to the HoLs that no other organisation receives.

SteveH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10400
  • God? She's black.
As an active anglican myself, I must agree. The C of E should be disestablished, and automatic peerages fro the most senior bishops ended.
I have a pet termite. His name is Clint. Clint eats wood.

Nearly Sane

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 64325
As an active anglican myself, I must agree. The C of E should be disestablished, and automatic peerages fro the most senior bishops ended.
Should the monarch remain head of the CoE, iyo?

Walt Zingmatilder

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33187
How?
For services rendered to whatever.
For example some comedians have been rewarded for services to entertainment. I guess that is for being continually completely funny instead of momentarily partially funny.

ippy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12679
Not in the way that the CofE does, which involved automatic membership of the HoLs when a person is appointed to a senior position in a different organisation, in other words the top 26 Bishop roles.

By contrast the Chief Scout doesn't automatically become a member of the HofL when appointed to that role.
Nor the CEO of the RSPB
Nor the CEO of the National Trust
etc, etc

The CofE is afforded a massive special privilege with regard to access to the HoLs that no other organisation receives.

You can explain to Vlad, how secularism works until you're blue in the face Proff, unfortunately there's no one home on the subject.

I tried to explain that the UK NSS was collecting contributions that can give some aid to the Rohinga refugees that are suffering religious persecution at the mo, that must have been another of Vlads flat liners, with no sign of any recognition of how secularism works, you can't even get through when you tell him about the many secularists there are that belong to the various differing religious beliefs, still zero, perhaps it's me, give it a go, you might be able to get through?

Whatever you present to him his, loose term, answer, more than likely wont relate to whatever you've asked of him.

Regards ippy

ProfessorDavey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17583
As an active anglican myself, I must agree. The C of E should be disestablished, and automatic peerages fro the most senior bishops ended.
A welcome voice of reason.

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
For services rendered to whatever.

So, instead of reserved seats, those in the religious sphere could be appointed in the same way, for services rendered...etc?
Level playing field and all that?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Walt Zingmatilder

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33187
So, instead of reserved seats, those in the religious sphere could be appointed in the same way, for services rendered...etc?
Level playing field and all that?
That's one way. So Immanual Jacovits the former Chief Rabbi would have become Lord Jocovits for services to religion rather than to Charity, Dawkins could be made Lord Dawkins for services to humanism/popular science, and so on.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 02:48:12 PM by 'andles for forks »

ProfessorDavey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17583
That's one way. So Immanual Jacovits the former Chief Rabbi would have become Lord Jocovits for services to religion rather than to Charity, Dawkins could be made Lord Dawkins for services to humanism/popular science, and so on.
I think you are confusing the way in which people are awarded honours such as an MBE or Knighthood, with the process of appointment of members of the House of Lords.

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
That's one way. So Immanual Jacovits the former Chief Rabbi would have become Lord Jocovits for services to religion rather than to Charity,
That however would assume that his contribution to religion was more worthy than that to charity.

If that's how you think it should be done?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

SteveH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10400
  • God? She's black.
Should the monarch remain head of the CoE, iyo?
I'd scrap the monarchy as well, but in the meantime, no.
I have a pet termite. His name is Clint. Clint eats wood.

SteveH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10400
  • God? She's black.
That's one way. So Immanual Jacovits the former Chief Rabbi would have become Lord Jocovits for services to religion rather than to Charity, Dawkins could be made Lord Dawkins for services to humanism/popular science, and so on.
Immanuel Jakobovits.
I have a pet termite. His name is Clint. Clint eats wood.

Nearly Sane

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 64325
I'd scrap the monarchy as well, but in the meantime, no.
I agree with scrapping the monarchy but don't see how you avoid some element of establishment if the head of state is head of a particular church by heredity.

floo

  • Guest
LONG LIVE THE MONARCHY

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719

DOWN WITH THE MONARCHY
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

SteveH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10400
  • God? She's black.
This is not adult debate.
Scrap the monarchy, make the upper house directly elected in its entirety, and disestablish the Church of England. If we believe in democracy and equality of religious belief and non-belief, all these are obvious steps to take.
I have a pet termite. His name is Clint. Clint eats wood.

ippy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12679
DOWN WITH THE MONARCHY

I hope they do have long lives too Floo, I just want to do away with the position of having Kings and Queens, only we're no longer living in medieval times, it's about time they were signed off it is a bit strange these days to still have royalty.

Some people even think it's still O K to curtsy and bow down before these people?

I believe all of the royals have to use the lavatory like the rest of us is that right Floo? 

Regards ippy