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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2016, 10:03:41 PM »
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2016, 08:07:28 AM »
Let's not forget either that the Brexit leaders are two Journalists.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2016, 03:16:48 PM »
Let's not forget either that the Brexit leaders are two Journalists.
Neither of whom have ever been employed by the BBC (apart from one episode of Have I Got News For You).
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2016, 06:28:02 PM »
Neither of whom have ever been employed by the BBC (apart from one episode of Have I Got News For You).
Wouldn't you say they all 'Piss in the same pot?'.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2016, 08:50:06 AM »
Programme on balance in referendum debate. Equal time for both sides discussed but they should also look at number of times the word Brexit, bremain, leave and stay were mentioned.

I suspect Brexit was mentioned most. If that is true. All BBC political editors and sub editors should be sacked.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2016, 09:23:10 AM »
Bearing in mind this referendum is being inflicted on us by a combination of Tory unrest and the inexplicable profile of UKIP, and also that perhaps it was offered in the expectation that it wouldn't actually happen, that the 'debate' has moved from turgid to tragic (in view of recent events).

So, I'm for stay: the prospect of the like of Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson or (even worse) Farage leading UP politics is distasteful to me. If that happens then hopefully at least we in Scotland might find an escape route.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2016, 09:50:44 AM »
Bearing in mind this referendum is being inflicted on us by a combination of Tory unrest and the inexplicable profile of UKIP, and also that perhaps it was offered in the expectation that it wouldn't actually happen, that the 'debate' has moved from turgid to tragic (in view of recent events).

So, I'm for stay: the prospect of the like of Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson or (even worse) Farage leading UP politics is distasteful to me. If that happens then hopefully at least we in Scotland might find an escape route.

I'd pretty much endorse most of that Gordon, lets just hope we get a strong Remain vote then some of these characters will have to slither  back into the woodwork.
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2016, 10:09:33 AM »
Wouldn't you say they all 'Piss in the same pot?'.
No.

To take two examples, Polly Toynbee has spent her career investigating poverty, the effects of poverty and writing about the impact off cuts in government spending on poverty and is backing the remain campaign.

Boris Johnson has spent his career writing shit about Brussels making up shit about Europe and is backing the make Me PM runaway and hide from the foreigners campaign.

If you actually bothered to look, you'd find that those journalists who do investigate poverty and understand the impact are far more likely to want less poverty. Your witless attempt to suggest otherwise is dangerously close to seeking to dehumanise an entire profession.
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2016, 10:53:11 AM »
Bearing in mind this referendum is being inflicted on us by a combination of Tory unrest and the inexplicable profile of UKIP, and also that perhaps it was offered in the expectation that it wouldn't actually happen, that the 'debate' has moved from turgid to tragic (in view of recent events).

So, I'm for stay: the prospect of the like of Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson or (even worse) Farage leading UP politics is distasteful to me. If that happens then hopefully at least we in Scotland might find an escape route.

I think distasteful is a very mild word - I'd say 'horrified', 'ghastly'etc!
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2016, 10:58:55 AM »
No.

To take two examples, Polly Toynbee has spent her career investigating poverty, the effects of poverty and writing about the impact off cuts in government spending on poverty and is backing the remain campaign.

Boris Johnson has spent his career writing shit about Brussels making up shit about Europe and is backing the make Me PM runaway and hide from the foreigners campaign.

If you actually bothered to look, you'd find that those journalists who do investigate poverty and understand the impact are far more likely to want less poverty. Your witless attempt to suggest otherwise is dangerously close to seeking to dehumanise an entire profession.
Of course there are exceptions and in the BBC and usually it is there courage in outside broadcast and independence of journalism which is rightly praised.

But most of the people in control of what we read are from the sensationalist wing of journalism including the political editorship of BBC news IMHO.
They talk to each other and regard each others views as paramount regarding themselves as somehow representing me.
Complain about them and one receives short shrift. This was not the case a couple of years ago.
I feel you believe these people who should and are above reproach.
All of a sudden parliament is revealed by the press as a workplace full of hard working normal people.
That is a radical departure from what the press and BBC were presenting before Thursday.
Why weren't Robinson, Kavanagh, Keunsberg etc......showing us that earlier?
And you are accusing me of dehumanising.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2016, 12:32:47 PM »
Here's Stewart Lee on Michael Gove's journalistic incarnation

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/19/michael-gove-bit-of-an-animal

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2016, 12:45:50 PM »
No.

To take two examples, Polly Toynbee has spent her career investigating poverty, the effects of poverty and writing about the impact off cuts in government spending on poverty and is backing the remain campaign.

Boris Johnson has spent his career writing shit about Brussels making up shit about Europe and is backing the make Me PM runaway and hide from the foreigners campaign.

If you actually bothered to look, you'd find that those journalists who do investigate poverty and understand the impact are far more likely to want less poverty. Your witless attempt to suggest otherwise is dangerously close to seeking to dehumanise an entire profession.
But most of the high profile "journalists" fall into the former characterisation rather than the latter.
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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2016, 12:51:20 PM »

But most of the people in control of what we read are from the sensationalist wing of journalism including the political editorship of BBC news IMHO.
They talk to each other and regard each others views as paramount regarding themselves as somehow representing me.


I can't speak for the television news, of course, but I listen to a lot of news and current affairs on Radio 4 and my impression is that most of the journalists are probably Remainers but are bending over backwards not to appear biased. Then there is the excellent More Or Less crew who try to analyse the facts behind the claims.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2016, 06:25:02 PM »
Pienaar still being extremely bias against Labour.

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Re: Can we trust the BBC not to want mayhem over the EU?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2016, 02:16:07 PM »
Here we are in October. The Conservatives are back from their holidays and steeped in Brexit mire, Ukip are taking the Biffo approach and yet the BBC are still obsessed by Corbyn.

Good luck to Cliff Richard who wants to take the Beeb down for millions. Now that is worth the licence fee.