Author Topic: Odd laws (Read 8054 times)

jeremyp · « **Reply #50 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:36:36 AM »

Quote from: L.A. on June 01, 2016, 11:42:21 AM

As an exercise, I have just weighed one of the 5p bags I recently bought - it was 30 grams - an old free bag weighs 5 grams.

Therefore, unless you use your 5p bag six times or more before throwing it away - you are sending more plastic to landfill than you were before this stupid law came in.

The 5p bags I get from Morrisons are exactly the same as the old free bags they used to hand out.

Anyway, the point of the 5p thing is not to make people reuse the 5p bags but to try to stop the from using 5p bags at all. In that respect it is successful since the usage has unquestionable decreased significantly.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #51 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:38:46 AM »

I've noticed a difference in Tesco. The new 5p bags are definitely stronger. I think they've stopped using/selling the biodegradable ones if the appearance and texture is anything to go by.

jeremyp · « **Reply #52 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:40:19 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on June 01, 2016, 10:05:17 PM

That - and a very great deal else beside - could be sorted by having fewer people in the world.

When people say that, I always respond with "ok you go first".

The problem with "we need fewer people" is that, while it is true, there is no palatable way to get there.

Shaker · « **Reply #53 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:43:46 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 02, 2016, 08:40:19 AM

When people say that, I always respond with "ok you go first".

The problem with "we need fewer people" is that, while it is true, there is no palatable way to get there.

The problem with that is that the alternative is a damned sight less palatable. If people won't eat the carrot, they'll end up with the stick; given what's at stake, it won't do simply to throw up the hands and moan: "Too late! Oh dear, never mind ..."

Shaker · « **Reply #54 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:51:09 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 02, 2016, 08:38:46 AM

I've noticed a difference in Tesco. The new 5p bags are definitely stronger. I think they've stopped using/selling the biodegradable ones if the appearance and texture is anything to go by.

... which if true suggests that they're charging for an environmentally unfriendly item.

Remind me - exactly what was this plastic bag charge for, again?

Rhiannon · « **Reply #55 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:04:44 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on June 02, 2016, 08:43:46 AM

The problem with that is that the alternative is a damned sight less palatable. If people won't eat the carrot, they'll end up with the stick; given what's at stake, it won't do simply to throw up the hands and moan: "Too late! Oh dear, never mind ..."

It's something I struggle with. I have produced my three good little taxpayers but I can't pretend that's a good thing for me to have done, even though I believe they are great people. Why should I think my kids are the 'right' sort to be born and others not?

Rhiannon · « **Reply #56 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:06:02 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on June 02, 2016, 08:51:09 AM

... which if true suggests that they're charging for an environmentally unfriendly item.

Remind me - exactly what was this plastic bag charge for, again?

I can't find any information for definite. I can only go by how the bags feel and appear, which is very different.

L.A. · « **Reply #57 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:22:42 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 02, 2016, 08:36:36 AM

The 5p bags I get from Morrisons are exactly the same as the old free bags they used to hand out.

Possibly Morrison are the same, a great many shops sell thicker bags.

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Anyway, the point of the 5p thing is not to make people reuse the 5p bags but to try to stop the from using 5p bags at all.

Which is never going to happen in the real world.

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In that respect it is successful since the usage has unquestionable decreased significantly.

Interesting use of the word 'successful' - the numbers might be down but I'd wager that the total weight is up.

Udayana · « **Reply #58 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:25:09 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 02, 2016, 08:19:49 AM

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When I've been using them in Tesco and found one with a hole the cashier has offered to replace it for free.

Err.. yes, that is the point. You buy one, then can replace it free whenever needed. It's not a single bag that is supposed to last a lifetime!

Rhiannon · « **Reply #59 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:29:02 AM »

Quote from: Udayana on June 02, 2016, 09:25:09 AM

Err.. yes, that is the point. You buy one, then can replace it free whenever needed. It's not a single bag that is supposed to last a lifetime!

Yes, I do know that. It was just nice to see that it really does work as it's intended to. I wouldn't dream of asking for a replacement tbh.

Udayana · « **Reply #60 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:29:47 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 02, 2016, 08:38:46 AM

I've noticed a difference in Tesco. The new 5p bags are definitely stronger. I think they've stopped using/selling the biodegradable ones if the appearance and texture is anything to go by.

The old free bags were complete rubbish

If they are charging I suppose they can make them stronger - but could/should also make them biodegradable.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #61 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:31:36 AM »

Quote from: Udayana on June 02, 2016, 09:29:47 AM

The old free bags were complete rubbish If they are charging I suppose they can make them stronger - but could/should also make them biodegradable.

Yes, the old ones didn't make it through one shop a lot of the time. But as they were going to biodegrade I guess that didn't matter.

L.A. · « **Reply #62 on:** June 02, 2016, 09:31:48 AM »

Quote from: Udayana on June 02, 2016, 09:25:09 AM

Err.. yes, that is the point. You buy one, then can replace it free whenever needed. It's not a single bag that is supposed to last a lifetime!

I understand that is the theory - in practice you never have the right bag with you for that particular store (if you have any bag at all) - then you discover a pile of them tucked away under the stairs and decide they might as well be used for rubbish.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #63 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:33:15 AM »

Just as an aside ...

... but aren't the largest group of people who now buy plastic bags dog owners?

Gonnagle · « **Reply #64 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:38:16 AM »

Dear Hope,

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Gonners, NHS trusts - at least south of your border - have had trust and group lotteries for years. The first national one (which I accept wasn't very successful) was introduced in 1988, but many individual health boards had their own long before that.

Well that is something I didn't know but that is not the point me and I think Rhiannon were trying to make, it seems that more and more of what the government should be tackling is being done by charity, it could just be the way I see it, the one that sticks out in my mind, child abuse ( can't remember where in the country ) but Barnado's was called in, then again I think that was a good call, Barnado's have been doing this for years, they have the organisation and logistics behind them.

But Ronald McDonald hospices on NHS property, it just doesn't sit well with me, and I suppose my anti Tory mind set, what I do know, for a fact, the NHS is not being funded properly, or could just be my conspiracy theory working overtime.

Gonnagle.

L.A. · « **Reply #65 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:47:22 AM »

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But Ronald McDonald hospices on NHS property, it just doesn't sit well with me, and I suppose my anti Tory mind set, what I do know, for a fact, the NHS is not being funded properly, or could just be my conspiracy theory working overtime.

I'd have thought that by Scottish standards, McDonalds represented something of a pinnacle in healthy eating.

Gonnagle · « **Reply #66 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:59:51 AM »

Dear Mods,

Can you have a quiet word with old Lapsed please, nothing to harsh, stick him in that cupboard with the Lion

Gonnagle.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #67 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:04:45 AM »

Quote from: Gonnagle on June 02, 2016, 10:59:51 AM

Dear Mods,

Can you have a quiet word with old Lapsed please, nothing to harsh, stick him in that cupboard with the Lion

Gonnagle.

Yes - as if there's anything worng with deep fried Mars bars anyway

floo · « **Reply #68 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:15:33 AM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on June 02, 2016, 11:04:45 AM

Yes - as if there's anything worng with deep fried Mars bars anyway

MEGA YUCK!

Gonnagle · « **Reply #69 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:31:55 AM »

Dear Trent,

Tis funny

I am trying to make old Berational read up on what a Myth is, sadly the old mars bar Myth, there is a truth in there somewhere

Gonnagle.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #70 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:33:39 AM »

I'd heard it was nonsense too, Gonners.

I'd heard it was deep fried curly wurlies.

BeRational · « **Reply #71 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:34:06 AM »

Quote from: Gonnagle on June 02, 2016, 11:31:55 AM

Dear Trent,

Tis funny I am trying to make old Berational read up on what a Myth is, sadly the old mars bar Myth, there is a truth in there somewhere

Gonnagle.

I understand myth, you clearly do not understand cherry picking and spin.

jeremyp · « **Reply #72 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:52:35 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on June 02, 2016, 08:43:46 AM

The problem with that is that the alternative is a damned sight less palatable.

No it isn't. The population of the Earth will stabilise naturally during the next century and there is no obvious reason why they can't all be supported with careful management of resources. The real problem is how to get everybody to understand we need to carefully manage resources.

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