Father's Day - pagan roots?

[Bubbles]

I read this.

Background
There are some suggestions that the idea of Father's Day may originate in pagan sun worship. Some branches of paganism see the Sun as the father of the universe. Since the summer solstice occurs around the same time of year as Father's Day, some people see a link between the two.

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/uk/father-day

What do you think?

[Owlswing]

I read this.


What do you think?

In all honesty this is news to me.

Yes, many Pagans see the Moon as representing the Goddess - hence silver is the metal of the Goddess, and the Sun as representing the God - hence gold is the metal of the God, but I have never seen there being any correlation between this and Father's day.

However, I note the spelling of "honour" as "honor" in the article denoting its American origin and thus nothing would surprise me. When it comes to Americans and Paganism what they know ain't much and what they don't know they will make up.

Sorry Rose, but I have never seen this idea before. 

[Rhiannon]

The great deity Clinton invented it as a way of sacrificing more trees to make pointless cards with 'jokes' about dads being useless/asleep/playing golf on. I have heard something about there being sock talismans involved especially if they have Darth Vader saying 'I am your father' on them.

[Owlswing]

The great deity Clinton invented it as a way of sacrificing more trees to make pointless cards with 'jokes' about dads being useless/asleep/playing golf on. I have heard something about there being sock talismans involved especially if they have Darth Vader saying 'I am your father' on them.

Well, there is no greater pagan God than Mamon(sic), or so I have been informed by various Christians! Especially when they are losing arguments over just what does and does not constitute paganism.

[Hope]

Well, there is no greater pagan God than Mamon(sic), or so I have been informed by various Christians! Especially when they are losing arguments over just what does and does not constitute paganism.

Not sure that anyone here has suggested that Mamon (sic - not sure who you're having a pop at here, Owl) is a pagan God, let alone any of the Christians.

[Owlswing]

Not sure that anyone here has suggested that Mamon (sic - not sure who you're having a pop at here, Owl) is a pagan God, let alone any of the Christians.

Re-post:

Well, there is no greater pagan God than Mamon(sic), or so I have been informed by various Christians! Especially when they are losing arguments over just what does and does not constitute paganism.

Where in this post do I say that anyone here  has suggested anything?

[Hope]

Re-post:

Well, there is no greater pagan God than Mamon(sic), or so I have been informed by various Christians! Especially when they are losing arguments over just what does and does not constitute paganism.

Where in this post do I say that anyone here  has suggested anything?

Why did you use the 'sic' in your post, Owl?  This little word is used "in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original ..." (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sic)  Having looked through the previous posts to yours, I couldn't find anyone using the 'M' word.

[Owlswing]

Why did you use the 'sic' in your post, Owl?  This little word is used "in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original ..." (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sic)  Having looked through the previous posts to yours, I couldn't find anyone using the 'M' word.

I was taught to use (sic) to show that the word preceding it may not be properly spelt, Ho!

I just could not be botheerd to look up the proper spelling, Ho.

[Bubbles]

I think it's Mammon which I always took to mean materialism

 

Looking up further, surprisingly it was deified in the Middle Ages according to wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_demons#Binsfeld.27s_classification_of_demons

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon


Some of the classifications of demons are a bit involved I think. In the first link.

I reckon the guy who wrote it was secretly into dungeons and dragons, great imagination 

Even states who each demon was opposed by.

I reckon you could make a board game out of that 

[Bubbles]

The only link I can see between mammon and paganism is that it was considered one of the virtues and was muddled in with ideas of faeries etc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faerie_Queene

King Arthur also appears in there, too.

I did read somewhere that the story of King Arthur embodied the change from old pagan ways to new Christian ones.

The lady of the lake, strikes me as a Pagan sort of idea, along with Merlin.

Legends and myths entwining together.

[Bubbles]

The Internet does seem to be full of hysterical web sites claiming it's all satanic and evil.

http://www.nazarite.net/evil-holidays.html

 

Others seem to say it is a modern celebration invented by an American woman.

This stuff about it being Greek or Roman sounds convoluted and unlikely to me.

[Owlswing]

I think it's Mammon which I always took to mean materialism

 

As did I, and that is the connotation that I was posting.

[Owlswing]

The Internet does seem to be full of hysterical web sites claiming it's all satanic and evil.

http://www.nazarite.net/evil-holidays.html

 

Others seem to say it is a modern celebration invented by an American woman.

This stuff about it being Greek or Roman sounds convoluted and unlikely to me.

The first line of "Valentine's Day" tells me that it is American - "honor" instead of "honour"!

I have come to treat anything written by Americans on the subject of paganism with the utmost contempt.

If you wish to see American Christian stupidity and ignorance and insanity at its worst I suggest that you look up the American comments and commentaries on Harry Potter. The one that had me laughing until I cried was one that stated that Harry Potter was the Devil, Draco Malfoy was Christ and his father, Lucius, was God!

There were, whether there still are I don't know, I haven't looked in ages, over 200,000 American sites on the subject of Harry Potter as Satanic propaganda!

Some of the American fundamentalists make Sassy, ~TW~, Alan Burns and Hope seem total kittens.

[Bubbles]

The first line of "Valentine's Day" tells me that it is American - "honor" instead of "honour"!

I have come to treat anything written by Americans on the subject of paganism with the utmost contempt.

If you wish to see American Christian stupidity and ignorance and insanity at its worst I suggest that you look up the American comments and commentaries on Harry Potter. The one that had me laughing until I cried was one that stated that Harry Potter was the Devil, Draco Malfoy was Christ and his father, Lucius, was God!

There were, whether there still are I don't know, I haven't looked in ages, over 200,000 American sites on the subject of Harry Potter as Satanic propaganda!

Some of the American fundamentalists make Sassy, ~TW~, Alan Burns and Hope seem total kittens.

I find that scary.
Harry Potter is basically a story about good and evil, instead of recognising that and recognising the good,  they have sided with the baddies.

Says so much about them, even if it is all fiction.

The thought that they can't recognise good vs evil sort of invalidates their own beliefs, for me anyway.

If they really thought that, so much for that Holy Ghost which is supposed to give them discernment.............👻

I'd steer well clear of the lot of  them. ( people that can not recognise the good vs evil stories in its various forms)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire
Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/voltaire118641.html

Very true I think.