If it wasn't religion?

[ippy]

I live in a part of Essex where we get London or Anglia T V and I was watching the BBC London news; I see there was another area in London where the local Jewish community are putting up a piece of wire that encircles their area and by putting a piece of wire around this area it enables them to do a lot of things that they wouldn't be allowed to do on their sabbath day without this piece of wire surrounding them

Yes a piece of wire?

Is it just me that finds this kind of practice just a weeny bit strange?

ippy

[Shaker]

Lots of things wouldn't exist/wouldn't be done but for religion. They wouldn't be allowed by decent people and decent societies.

[floo]

I live in a part of Essex where we get London or Anglia T V and I was watching the BBC London news; I see there was another area in London where the local Jewish community are putting up a piece of wire that encircles their area and by putting a piece of wire around this area it enables them to do a lot of things that they wouldn't be allowed to do on their sabbath day without this piece of wire surrounding them

Yes a piece of wire?

Is it just me that finds this kind of practice just a weeny bit strange?

ippy

It is superstitious twaddle, imo.

[ippy]

It is superstitious twaddle, imo.

Golders Green, a part of North London has had this wire business for years I didn't catch where this other part of London was Floo.

Golders Green known locally as Goldburg Green.

ippy 

[Brownie]

Muswell Hill, Stamford Hill, all sorts of places where the Chassidic communities live.  Crown Heights, Brooklyn, which is where they have their 'headquarters', has it too. I've seen the same in Belgium. It's not only for the reason you state but also represents them keeping themselves apart from the wider community.  Historically, they have had to protect themselves and believe the reason they have survived and are thriving is because they have stuck together.

It does seem odd to us but no harm to anyone else. There is always a 'down side' to any tight knit community and they are no exception but they are generally lovely people, extremely caring.

[L.A.]

I live in a part of Essex where we get London or Anglia T V and I was watching the BBC London news; I see there was another area in London where the local Jewish community are putting up a piece of wire that encircles their area and by putting a piece of wire around this area it enables them to do a lot of things that they wouldn't be allowed to do on their sabbath day without this piece of wire surrounding them

Yes a piece of wire?

Is it just me that finds this kind of practice just a weeny bit strange?

ippy

The wire loop obviously screens the user from the Sabbath field.

[Rhiannon]

I've got friends in Golders Green. They feel very much under threat from
anti-semitism right now. As one said recently, for us the war never really ended.

That may or may not be correct. But it is their perception as things stand.

[wigginhall]

There's been an eruv in N. London for quite a few years, I don't see it as a problem.  As Rhiannon says, one of the dangers is that anti-Semites will use it in some way. 

[ippy]

Muswell Hill, Stamford Hill, all sorts of places where the Chassidic communities live.  Crown Heights, Brooklyn, which is where they have their 'headquarters', has it too. I've seen the same in Belgium. It's not only for the reason you state but also represents them keeping themselves apart from the wider community.  Historically, they have had to protect themselves and believe the reason they have survived and are thriving is because they have stuck together.

It does seem odd to us but no harm to anyone else. There is always a 'down side' to any tight knit community and they are no exception but they are generally lovely people, extremely caring.

Don't mix the milk and meat in the kitchen, and eat under an open sky, I think on Fridays amongst other stuff, like the rest of us good and bad mostly good.

Oh yes known locally as the Stamford Hill cowboys, many years back when I lived in London that acidic lot usually drove Volvo estate cars and alway drove out of the sideroads at speed and  without looking one way or the other.

ippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I live in a part of Essex where we get London or Anglia T V and I was watching the BBC London news; I see there was another area in London where the local Jewish community are putting up a piece of wire that encircles their area and by putting a piece of wire around this area it enables them to do a lot of things that they wouldn't be allowed to do on their sabbath day without this piece of wire surrounding them

Yes a piece of wire?

Is it just me that finds this kind of practice just a weeny bit strange?

It's their rules, for their community only. They don't ask you to observe them. Unless you are in the habit of flying around that area at the height of the average telegraph pole it won't affect you.

ippy

[Owlswing]

Muswell Hill, Stamford Hill, all sorts of places where the Chassidic communities live.  Crown Heights, Brooklyn, which is where they have their 'headquarters', has it too. I've seen the same in Belgium. It's not only for the reason you state but also represents them keeping themselves apart from the wider community.  Historically, they have had to protect themselves and believe the reason they have survived and are thriving is because they have stuck together.

It does seem odd to us but no harm to anyone else. There is always a 'down side' to any tight knit community and they are no exception but they are generally lovely people, extremely caring.

The only "tight-knit" community to which I can see little of a "down-side" is the Amish.

[ippy]

Other than saying I thought it was a bit strange I didn't make any other comment, but if it bothers you dont look at the wires; I was and have been aware of this practice for years and have never actually seen any part of these wires anywhere, even having gone through and around Golders Green many times over the years.

ippy

[Rhiannon]

If the wire's going up now I'd suggest that reflects the unease of the Golders Green community. My friends no longer feel safe there.

[ippy]

I've got friends in Golders Green. They feel very much under threat from
anti-semitism right now. As one said recently, for us the war never really ended.

That may or may not be correct. But it is their perception as things stand.

I find it difficult to understand anti-sematism, we owe so much to the contributions jewish people have made to science and the arts over the years and this is underlined when you see things like 25% of all Nobel prize winners were Jewish.

Apart from the fact that I find all religions a bit of a strange thing to believe in, I'm pro Jewish rather than anti.

ippy