You do realise..

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If this thread doesn't demonstrate  beyond doubt why the Forum isn't getting new members nothing on earth will!

And who started the rot . . . ?

Don't tell us .....on this board where the vast majority of posters are non Christian it'll be the Christians.

I think we also have to look at where forum membership has haemorrhaged.

[floo]

Don't tell us .....on this board where the vast majority of posters are non Christian it'll be the Christians.

I think we also have to look at where forum membership has haemorrhaged.

Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!

I suppose you like your Christians to be the shy and retiring Derek Nimmo type. A secular humanist with a bit of a strange sunday hobby.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Are you actually a Christian Vlad? You say you are, but quite frankly you don't do the faith any favours whatsoever!

The late great Muhammed Ali made a speech about how ''the white man should reflect on those aspects He (the white man) couldn't see in himself because He thought he was alright.

Now I think that might be a tad racist for this day and age.

Ali never had the luxury of being a 'white man' but I have had the luxury of being a secular humanist and secular humanists aren't exempt from a need to examine themselves. One aspect of your modern secular humanist is the idea that they are a consumer who needs everything to be sold and packaged just right before it is acceptable....Tailored to their needs.......Not everything is like that and we need to overcome sometimes ,having our sensibilities disrupted.

Floo, I suggests you now take God on directly and spend a month in a monastic environment.....or a few days on retreat with yer hubby.

As they say....only Nixon could go to china.

[floo]

The late great Muhammed Ali made a speech about how ''the white man should reflect on those aspects He (the white man) couldn't see in himself because He thought he was alright.

Now I think that might be a tad racist for this day and age.

Ali never had the luxury of being a 'white man' but I have had the luxury of being a secular humanist and secular humanists aren't exempt from a need to examine themselves. One aspect of your modern secular humanist is the idea that they are a consumer who needs everything to be sold and packaged just right before it is acceptable....Tailored to their needs.......Not everything is like that and we need to overcome sometimes ,having our sensibilities disrupted.

Floo, I suggests you now take God on directly and spend a month in a monastic environment.....or a few days on retreat with yer hubby.

As they say....only Nixon could go to china.

I have taken god on and won! As usual you didn't deal with the question I asked you!

[Shaker]

Seems like your problem, Vladdychops, is that although you claim to have been a secular humanist, perhaps you just weren't very good at it, as your post above demonstrates.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I have taken god on and won! As usual you didn't deal with the question I asked you!

Why do I then get the idea that my name is going to get dragged into the discussion by you when you actually do meet your maker?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Seems like your problem, Vladdychops, is that although you claim to have been a secular humanist, perhaps you just weren't very good at it

...And thank God I wasn't.

[Shaker]

You can thank whatever fictional characters that happen to roast your potatoes - however, if you'd been better at the secular humanism you claim to have espoused, you wouldn't talk so much utter shite about it now from the viewpoint of the other belief system that you now claim, equally dubiously.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You can thank whatever fictional characters that happen to roast your potatoes - however, if you'd been better at the secular humanism you claim to have espoused, you wouldn't talk so much utter shite about it now from the viewpoint of the other belief system that you now claim, equally dubiously.

I can't quite see secular humanism as represented by BHA and NSS as a completely unalloyed wondrous phenomena as you do.

I think somewhere along the line you have suspended your usual scepticism in which you are normally so proud.

When Ali stated that the white man should reflect he did not say that he should then throw himself under a bus.

I think the problem is though Shaker that apatheism really does bother you because when they become unapathetic you don't know in what cause that will be.

[Rhiannon]

Vlad's found some new words to misuse. Bless.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad's found some new words to misuse. Bless.

OK if a moderator isn't going to get this back on track......I'll have to.

The problem for people coming on this board is the see the IMHO appaling treatment of the likes of Nick Marks and claques of people rolling around the decks unmoderated seeking out a character they call ''Trollboy''.

How more unedifying can it get.

[Shaker]

A great deal - see some of the posts by the theistic contingent. If Hopeless was in charge, there'd be no marriage equality. If Sassy was in charge, there'd be no places of worship of any faith other than Christianity. In other words, a pretty complete trampling of reigious pluralism and religious freedom in a secular society.

I don't think that really stacks up against critique of your beliefs, however much it suits the old martyr complex to claim otherwise.

[Rhiannon]

I d not seen Nick Marks get mistreated. We were all glad when he came back and it's a shame he's gone again.

No idea what his posts were about but I always liked reading his slightly trippy cosmic God energy stuff.

[Rhiannon]

OK if a moderator isn't going to get this back on track......I'll have to.

The problem for people coming on this board is the see the IMHO appaling treatment of the likes of Nick Marks and claques of people rolling around the decks unmoderated seeking out a character they call ''Trollboy''.

How more unedifying can it get.

I don't seek you out, Vlad - on more than one occasion I'd have been glad to see you stop omh and leave a thread completely though.

Don't want to be called Trollboy - don't troll. It's not difficult.

[Shaker]

Re: Sparky Marks - There was a lot about electricity, I remember.

I always thought he worked for EON, but then admittedly I did skim a lot.

[Rhiannon]

Re: Sparky Marks - There was a lot about electricity, I remember.

I always thought he worked for EON, but then admittedly I did skim a lot.

He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.

[floo]

Why do I then get the idea that my name is going to get dragged into the discussion by you when you actually do meet your maker?

I am not likely to meet my parents again now they are dead!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A great deal - see some of the posts by the theistic contingent. If Hopeless was in charge, there'd be no marriage equality. If Sassy was in charge, there'd be no places of worship of any faith other than Christianity. In other words, a pretty complete trampling of reigious pluralism and religious freedom in a secular society.

I don't think that really stacks up against critique of your beliefs, however much it suits the old martyr complex to claim otherwise.

We aren't talking about viewpoints though we are talking about whether this forum runs like a kind of playground or like some town centre at night.

There are means of shutting down debate and attempted control by whose on by personalising attacks and IMHO they are all being employed here.

It is a sinister and unwelcome place to be and only hardy theists who feel that the religious view has a place hang on although depending on where the tactics of the claque go next, but with 2 respondents stating on this forum that religion should have no public forum as far as I can see it there can only be another exodus.

The New atheist approach is that the end justifies the means and therefore Jews, Moslems, Christians, members of eastern religions are prepared to abandon the forum as a little enclave of antitheism.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.

Did he!! Can't remember that one, I do remember him chuntering on about nervous energy, citing football matches, something that science is looking into.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/footfall-cities-future-harness-energy

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He did once say he had a laboratory in which to test his ideas. That was rather alarming.

Why? can you claim genuine concern for him?

[bluehillside Retd.]

There are means of shutting down debate and attempted control by whose on by personalising attacks and IMHO they are all being employed here.

In which the poster who's never shown any inclination to debate anything, preferring instead to do his level best to wreck an otherwise interesting forum with dull nihilism, outright dishonesty and gratuitous abuse complains that other people are "shutting down debate". 

Unedifying Trollboy, unedifying.

[Sassy]

I don't need to. Leaving aside the fact that it's self-evident, you know it. But as you also quote-mine, twist the words of others and lie outright I don't expect you to develope a conscience about it any time soon.

If it was so self-evident you would not have been required to tell him or make a statement.

[Sassy]

Not so much that your reply #6 wasn't and isn't a perfect example of the trolling that Rhiannon mentioned.For all any of us know that person is you, Vlad.

You gotta ask yourself who asked the question to get the answer.

That would be YOU... You asked the question so you are responsible for both question and answer..
WHO WAS TROLLING FIRST THEN?

You MR SHAKER....  just you....

[Shaker]

with 2 respondents stating on this forum that religion should have no public forum

Who and where?