Who's for IN and who's for OUT:

[Brownie]

Whoops!

Don't you mean, "Woops", floo ? 

I'm voting to stay in.  I think my husband will too, he wavers a bit.
My son, on the other hand, is unwavering and passionately miltant about staying in, goes on about the whys and wherefores endlessly.
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Rhiannon]

Drivel. And you can't even spell fascist.


Most of the founders of the EU fought the Nazis. Your ignorance of that and your moronic pissing on the graves of those who were killed by the Nazis would make me me vomit, if I thought you had the slightest grasp of history.

But then again you have already posted bits of your lunatic anti Semitism about the Rothschilds and your dog whistle 'bankensteins'

To be fair, NS, I do t thing SP knows she's being antisemitic or disrespectful, she's just very gullible.

After all, she thinks Satan made her a pantheist.

[Sassy]

Can't vote because there's no 'No clue what's best, who do you think I am, Mystic fucking Meg?' button.

It isn't asking what the outcome will be, it is asking what YOU intend to vote.
It requires you not (and to quote) 

Mystic fucking Meg?

button because( to quote)

Mystic fucking Meg?

won't be deciding your vote for you...

(  Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT: )

  See doesn't require (quote) a

Mystic fucking Meg? button

The thread is asking who is in and who is out. You can make that decision without Mystic Meg.

[Sassy]

Maybe the question on the ballot should be :

Do you want to 'cut off your nose to spite your face'?

Voting to stay in would be doing just that.

You see you have property/land in france that would not be affected.
The rules for voting means that those who live abroad cannot vote.
Or are they changing that because you have to reside here and register from an address.
Hence homeless people will not get a vote.

[Rhiannon]

It isn't asking what the outcome will be, it is asking what YOU intend to vote.
It requires you not (and to quote)   button because( to quote) won't be deciding your vote for you...  See doesn't require (quote) a The thread is asking who is in and who is out. You can make that decision without Mystic Meg.

I know it's asking me how I intend to vote, Sass.

Oh blimey. Right. Let's put this as simply as I can.

I don't know which way to vote because a) I don't know who is lying and who isn't and b) the best outcome is so unpredictable that I'm finding it hard to decide which was is best. Therefore although I lean towards Remain simply out of caution, I don't know how I will vote because it's impossible to foresee all the different permutations and complications that either Brexit or Remain could bring about. If I had psychic abilities then maybe I cold, but as there's no such thing...it's a roll of the dice.

[L.A.]

Voting to stay in would be doing just that.

You see you have property/land in france that would not be affected.
The rules for voting means that those who live abroad cannot vote.
Or are they changing that because you have to reside here and register from an address.
Hence homeless people will not get a vote.

I don't think that is my post you are referring to Sass, sadly I don't have any property in France 

[Rhiannon]

Perhaps the forum could have a whip round for you, LA. 

[Harrowby Hall]

Voting to stay in would be doing just that.

You see you have property/land in france that would not be affected.
The rules for voting means that those who live abroad cannot vote.
Or are they changing that because you have to reside here and register from an address.
Hence homeless people will not get a vote.

It was I, not LA, who admitted to owning property in France.

Your confabulation above indicates that you have not the slightest understanding of the situation. People who no longer reside in the United Kingdom retain the right to vote in UK elections for 15 years following their permanent departure.

I reside permanently in the United Kingdom.

Voting to leave the EU would be a catastrophe for the UK. Among other things, manufacturing and service companies will relocate in mainland Europe - a likely candidate being the Nissan Motor Company. It employs a couple of thousand people directly but also several thousand more through parts suppliers and other service providers. It will leave because it is controlled (through a 42% share ownership) by Renault who will look to rationalising the manufacture of both marques. I also find it difficult to imagine that EADS will continue Airbus wing manufacture in Bristol and North Wales.

I fail to see how brute surgery of these kinds will enhance the national physiognomy.

[Ricky Spanish]

So that will be the "Don't give a fuck because "I'm alright Jack"." option then!

[torridon]

Voting to leave the EU would be a catastrophe for the UK. Among other things, manufacturing and service companies will relocate in mainland Europe - a likely candidate being the Nissan Motor Company. It employs a couple of thousand people directly but also several thousand more through parts suppliers and other service providers. It will leave because it is controlled (through a 42% share ownership) by Renault who will look to rationalising the manufacture of both marques. I also find it difficult to imagine that EADS will continue Airbus wing manufacture in Bristol and North Wales.

Further to all the arguments about our national well being, we need to consider the bigger picture of European wellbeing and global wellbeing,  and I see that a Brexit would fuel nationalist tendencies that are already growing in many parts of Europe, and it was to avoid forever the horrors of twentieth century European nationalism that the EU was formed.  If we all start putting narrow self interest ahead of the greater good that is a regressive step of a nation with a very short memory.

[Nearly Sane]

To be fair, NS, I do t thing SP knows she's being antisemitic or disrespectful, she's just very gullible.

After all, she thinks Satan made her a pantheist.

The vast majority of people who are anti Semitic don't think they are.

[Rhiannon]

The vast majority of people who are anti Semitic don't think they are.

You may well be right, NS. But given that SP also believes there are 'real' as well as fake crop circles I think 'gullible' still fits here.

Going off topic but one of my great uncles marched with Mosley's blackshirts. Had no clue what they were about until he realised they were going to attack Jewish homes and businesses, at which point he and a couple of his mates turned on the blackshirts closest to them. And promptly for the crap beaten out of them of course.

[Nearly Sane]

I covered in my post that because I think SP's grasp of history is tenuous, due to believing stuff from websites made up of charlatanry and moonshine, I was not quite as disgusted with her personally as I might be. Doesn't make the views themselves any more palatable, or mean they should be given an greater tolerance.

[Harrowby Hall]

So that will be the "Don't give a fuck because "I'm alright Jack"." option then!

Is this supposed to be irony or sarcasm?

[Harrowby Hall]

You may well be right, NS. But given that SP also believes there are 'real' as well as fake crop circles I think 'gullible' still fits here.

Not only that but she also appears to believe that YouTube is an archive of record and that its contents, simply by virtue of being there, are veridical.

[L.A.]

Perhaps the forum could have a whip round for you, LA. 

What a kind thought 

This year we have to make do with a week in a 'Holidays in the Sun' mobile home near Carnac.

[Shaker]

Going off topic but one of my great uncles marched with Mosley's blackshirts. Had no clue what they were about until he realised they were going to attack Jewish homes and businesses, at which point he and a couple of his mates turned on the blackshirts closest to them. And promptly for the crap beaten out of them of course.

My granddad did the same in the 30s.

He had no time for fascists, he just needed a clean shirt.

[SweetPea]

Oh, wow, I better get on here and defend myself.

I'm not gullible as those discussing me seem to think.... I just happen to research and look further than the media and what is to be found in mainstream history. That's the first time I've posted a video re the EU.... and did anyone actually watch it.... or understand it?

If you dig deep you can find out that all wars are about money... and this is also what the EU is about as Jack Knave has tried and tried to explain.... all contrived by the same group of people. If they cared about the man-on the-street meetings wouldn't be held in secret and MEPs would have more power.

Re ant-Semitism: I am not anti-Semitic but do not agree with Zionism as it is a political agenda... the Zionists actually use the term anti-Semitism in their favour and are not a true representation of the Jewish people.

http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

[Shaker]

Re ant-Semitism: I am not anti-Semitic but do not agree with Zionism as it is a political agenda...

I refer you to post #35.

[ekim]

A bunch of bureaucrats working on product standards and trade regulations does not really constitute a threat to world peace.

The trouble with bureaucracies is that they grow and grow feeding on ever more regulations with an increasing cost to taxpayers and a burgeoning and complex legal system beyond the scope of ordinary people to challenge.  I would say that the threat is not so much to world peace (if ever such a concept comes about), but it can lead to internal civil unrest, especially if it is perceived that there is no way to change the regulations other than by force.

[ekim]

Ekim, I'm not sure if your comment was posted in jest or if you know the history of the EU.

The Nazis and facists who founded the EU and their influence today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf5KeC4dAs

Slightly tongue in cheek as we do seem to hear that Germany is the dominant power in the EU and seems to be calling the shots rather than firing them.

[Rhiannon]

Oh, wow, I better get on here and defend myself.

I'm not gullible as those discussing me seem to think.... I just happen to research and look further than the media and what is to be found in mainstream history. That's the first time I've posted a video re the EU.... and did anyone actually watch it.... or understand it?

If you dig deep you can find out that all wars are about money... and this is also what the EU is about as Jack Knave has tried and tried to explain.... all contrived by the same group of people. If they cared about the man-on the-street meetings wouldn't be held in secret and MEPs would have more power.

Re ant-Semitism: I am not anti-Semitic but do not agree with Zionism as it is a political agenda... the Zionists actually use the term anti-Semitism in their favour and are not a true representation of the Jewish people.

http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

SP, someone convinced you Satan was leading you astray. That's gullible.

It also meant someone took advantage of your vulnerability to stoke their own ego, but hey.

Sorry, going wildly off topic.

[SweetPea]

Nobody convinced me Satan was leading me astray.... I recognised that myself. Please stop representing me.

Now, in an effort to get back on topic...

The trouble with bureaucracies is that they grow and grow feeding on ever more regulations with an increasing cost to taxpayers and a burgeoning and complex legal system beyond the scope of ordinary people to challenge.  I would say that the threat is not so much to world peace (if ever such a concept comes about), but it can lead to internal civil unrest, especially if it is perceived that there is no way to change the regulations other than by force.

Good post, Ekim. This is why we have to think of what the future could hold for our children and grandchildren.

[Shaker]

Nobody convinced me Satan was leading me astray.... I recognised that myself. Please stop representing me.

That makes all the difference. Not gullible at all, then.

[SweetPea]

The irony is if you think Satan does not exist you are the one showing gullibility.

..... and the derail continues.