Who's for IN and who's for OUT:

[Shaker]

The irony is if you think Satan does not exist you are the one showing gullibility.

Coming from somebody who never saw a loony tunes dingbat conspiracy theory she didn't like, the irony of that statement is of near-lethal proportions.

[Rhiannon]

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10858.100

[Shaker]

Well remembered.

[Udayana]

The trouble with bureaucracies is that they grow and grow feeding on ever more regulations with an increasing cost to taxpayers and a burgeoning and complex legal system beyond the scope of ordinary people to challenge.  I would say that the threat is not so much to world peace (if ever such a concept comes about), but it can lead to internal civil unrest, especially if it is perceived that there is no way to change the regulations other than by force.

This seems true wrt. the EU institutions, especially as they have been able to play the  member nations off against each other. However the answer is for the people to take back democratic control of the institutions,  claiming subsidiarity when appropriate.
The member states need to cooperate - not only focus on their own best interests. Problems need to be explained and solved, not covered up.

If the EU breaks up I can't really see any better organisation rising to replace it.

[Rhiannon]

Well remembered.

I don't like being accused of misrepresentation. I'm not the most patient of people around this kind of nonsense but I don't lie.

[Sassy]

I know it's asking me how I intend to vote, Sass.

Oh blimey. Right. Let's put this as simply as I can.

I don't know which way to vote because a) I don't know who is lying and who isn't and b) the best outcome is so unpredictable that I'm finding it hard to decide which was is best. Therefore although I lean towards Remain simply out of caution, I don't know how I will vote because it's impossible to foresee all the different permutations and complications that either Brexit or Remain could bring about. If I had psychic abilities then maybe I cold, but as there's no such thing...it's a roll of the dice.

Had absolutely nothing to do with what you originally wrote.

It is simple for myself... Do I want to continue seeing my country flooded with foreigners bringing goodness know what diseases whilst our own suffer? Do I want to see countries responsible in the EU for child prostitution and slave prostitution coming here with the ability to kidnap children or young women and ship them off their foreign brothels and killing people to take power on the streets here?

Being in Europe puts us all at risk when gates open. We pay 35 billions a week and that would be 140 billion a month.
keep that within our own budget for hospitals etc We will be fine.
300,000 in one year and Goodness knows how many when they are not watching.

No, even if it means closing the channel tunnel it is time we came out of Europe.

[wigginhall]

I have a certain tendency towards Leave, partly just to penetrate Cameron in the bottom, but then again, when I see the Leave campaigners looking like an awayday with Community Services, and also, the barely hidden racism going on, I swing back to Remain. 

[Nearly Sane]

Had absolutely nothing to do with what you originally wrote.

It is simple for myself... Do I want to continue seeing my country flooded with foreigners bringing goodness know what diseases whilst our own suffer? Do I want to see countries responsible in the EU for child prostitution and slave prostitution coming here with the ability to kidnap children or young women and ship them off their foreign brothels and killing people to take power on the streets here?

Being in Europe puts us all at risk when gates open. We pay 35 billions a week and that would be 140 billion a month.
keep that within our own budget for hospitals etc We will be fine.
300,000 in one year and Goodness knows how many when they are not watching.

No, even if it means closing the channel tunnel it is time we came out of Europe.

Apart from the ludicrously bizarre figures, (35 billion a week being 100 times the questionable claim being made by the Leave camp)  this post stinks of racism! Surely to a Christian there is no such thing as foreigners?

And that"s leaving aside the laughable idea that most people come in via the Chunnel.

[wigginhall]

Yeah, but it's Christian racism.  This is a higher class of racism altogether, and all in the best possible taste.

[Rhiannon]

Ditto Christian lying. Michael Gove's shit hot at it.

[Nearly Sane]

Ditto Christian lying. Michael Gove's shit hot at it.

There was a time I knew Michael quite well. That was a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away
 He seems to have been replaced by a body snatcher, I think it might be called Ambition

[Rhiannon]

Funnily enough I was just thinking of his praise of Polish workers and how they benefitted the UK. But that was ten years or so ago, before he mutated.

[ekim]

This seems true wrt. the EU institutions, especially as they have been able to play the  member nations off against each other. However the answer is for the people to take back democratic control of the institutions,  claiming subsidiarity when appropriate.
The member states need to cooperate - not only focus on their own best interests. Problems need to be explained and solved, not covered up.

If the EU breaks up I can't really see any better organisation rising to replace it.

Yes, it's must be quite difficult to weld such an institute together with so many well entrenched national and economic interests.  It will probably take a long time and just like the so called United Nations Organisation there will be many opportunities to nullify its effectiveness.

[SweetPea]

I don't like being accused of misrepresentation. I'm not the most patient of people around this kind of nonsense but I don't lie.

Read my post on my experience again.... and see who's lying. Quote:

At the same time I was drawn to pantheism which (my own belief, now) is all part of the deception. Lucifer will do anything to draw folk away from the knowledge of the true Creator, Ahayah (God).

Next paragraph:

At some point, I met someone online that was a great help in showing me how I had been deceived.


Yes, I did meet someone who helped me to see how I was deceived, but regards Satan leading me astray, as I say, I recognised that myself.


And to Shaker: If your talking about the Mandela Effect, it's a psyop..... all nonsense.


 





 

[Rhiannon]

Like Shaker's deluded about Satan not existing?

[Nearly Sane]

Read my post on my experience again.... and see who's lying. Quote:

At the same time I was drawn to pantheism which (my own belief, now) is all part of the deception. Lucifer will do anything to draw folk away from the knowledge of the true Creator, Ahayah (God).

Next paragraph:

At some point, I met someone online that was a great help in showing me how I had been deceived.


Yes, I did meet someone who helped me to see how I was deceived, but regards Satan leading me astray, as I say, I recognised that myself.


And to Shaker: If your talking about the Mandela Effect, it's a psyop..... all nonsense.


 





 

I recognised myself that the Tower of England was a great buy when I met someone who persuaded me to give them a million pounds.

[SweetPea]

I'd been into New Age for quite sometime and others had tried to show me the deception. This time something was different. But it's very hard to explain to anyone that is not spiritual.

Anyway.... are we going to continue to derail and troll this thread?

Well, I'm not.

[Rhiannon]

Yes, SP. I'm not remotely spiritual.

Listen, feel free to think I'm the bitch queen pagan from hell. It's no problem to me. Get your message board mates to pray for me, they'll love it.

I don't care what other people believe generally. Chakras, Angels, crop circles, the resurrection - who cares, so long as it floats the boats. But the beliefs you now hold on Satan are dangerous - to you more than anyone. And your antisemitism - intended or otherwise -  fuels something that is spreading actoss Europe ike a cancer - if it ever went away - and it is scaring people like my Jewish friends.

[Nearly Sane]

I'd been into New Age for quite sometime and others had tried to show me the deception. This time something was different. But it's very hard to explain to anyone that is not spiritual.

Anyway.... are we going to continue to derail and troll this thread?

Well, I'm not.

What would Satan vote in the referendum?

[Rhiannon]

What would Satan vote in the referendum?

Wiggs mentioned Cameron's bottom earlier. I'm thinking big sticks...

(Sorry, Satan made me post that)

[Nearly Sane]

Let's vote for the side that talks about 'foreigners'. Signed Lou Cyphre

[Sassy]

Apart from the ludicrously bizarre figures, (35 billion a week being 100 times the questionable claim being made by the Leave camp)  this post stinks of racism! Surely to a Christian there is no such thing as foreigners?

And that"s leaving aside the laughable idea that most people come in via the Chunnel.

A country like a boat can only take so many passengers. If you over-fill it clearly sinks.

How do you stop a boat with too many people in from sinking? By not over-filling it, in the first instance.
When the EU starts to collapse what do you do then? That's right the USA takes control and we all come under the rule of the USA.

You never look at the bigger picture. I am sure the UK being their brother and sister country will be given special treatment when it happens, (not) a little like a modern tale of the tower of Babel. Imagine mankind being able to do anything...
FRIGHTENING....

[floo]

Had absolutely nothing to do with what you originally wrote.

It is simple for myself... Do I want to continue seeing my country flooded with foreigners bringing goodness know what diseases whilst our own suffer? Do I want to see countries responsible in the EU for child prostitution and slave prostitution coming here with the ability to kidnap children or young women and ship them off their foreign brothels and killing people to take power on the streets here?

Being in Europe puts us all at risk when gates open. We pay 35 billions a week and that would be 140 billion a month.
keep that within our own budget for hospitals etc We will be fine.
300,000 in one year and Goodness knows how many when they are not watching.

No, even if it means closing the channel tunnel it is time we came out of Europe.

Such a wonderfully 'Christian' post, you sad little person!!!!!!!!!! You might be signing from a different hymn sheet if you were a migrant trying to escape terrible horrors in their own countries!

[Sassy]

Yeah, but it's Christian racism.  This is a higher class of racism altogether, and all in the best possible taste.

Ditto Christian lying. Michael Gove's shit hot at it.

Christian racism doesn't exist.

It is right under your nose the class prejudice in this country.
The poor get poorer and the rich keep treading all over them to remain at the top controlling the purse strings.
You live in a dream world if you actually think Christianity has anything to do with trying to make all religions and gods equal
making the world one instead of learning from the tower of babel the dangers of doing so.

The world created good then fell into the hands of Satan.
The EU is just another way of Satan without Hitler to form a sophisticated way of doing the same thing as Hitler wanted.
But who rules when it all falls apart because no country maintains it's own people, language, customs and money giving up their identity for a dream which will never be a reality?


If the way was being paved for the anti-christ then this is surely the way.....

[torridon]

It is simple for myself... Do I want to continue seeing my country flooded with foreigners bringing goodness know what diseases whilst our own suffer? Do I want to see countries responsible in the EU for child prostitution and slave prostitution coming here with the ability to kidnap children or young women and ship them off their foreign brothels and killing people to take power on the streets here?

Damn EU letting all those bloody foreigners in, next thing you know they'll have an open door to the Samaritans, scoundrels all they are, not a single Good man among them.