Author Topic: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:  (Read 33820 times)

Brexit or Remain?

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Author Topic: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:  (Read 33820 times)

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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #200 on: June 24, 2016, 11:54:49 AM »
Well, Frank Field has said that Labour voters are protesting against globalization.   I think to that you can add austerity and immigration.   Whether they will get a reduction in any of them is a moot point, under Boris or Gove or whoever.   If there is a recession, maybe more.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #201 on: June 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM »
When we joined the EU we had lots of factories and manufacturing industries.

They have nearly all gone.


Not true. British manufacturing has enjoyed steady growth since the war (excluding a couple of blips during recessions).

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I hope Jeremy and others don't lose their jobs.


I'll be OK. My contract here finishes today anyway. Next week I'm off to Brussels. Hopefully the hotel staff won't be spitting in my food. The employees here might be OK too, but there is serious uncertainty.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #202 on: June 24, 2016, 12:35:08 PM »
I wonder who will put their names forward to be the next PM? I reckon that the following might wish to do so.

Boris
Gove
Ian Duncan Smith
Michael Fallon
Theresa May
Philip Hammond
Sajid Javid
George Osborne

I think Javid and Osborne would be the best of a bad job!

Osborne is finished.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #203 on: June 24, 2016, 12:35:45 PM »
Reasonable list, Floo. Another likely candidate is Stephen Crabb. I can't help but think that it will be won by a Brexit supporter.

Sad but probably true, unless things go really pear shaped in the next month or two!

I see two Labour MPs have called for a no confidence vote where Corbyn is concerned. His lacklustre performance certainly didn't help the Remain camp!
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #204 on: June 24, 2016, 04:43:00 PM »
Osborne is finished.

Osborne made the fatal mistake of telling people an unpalatable truth.
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« Reply #205 on: June 24, 2016, 04:49:39 PM »
Osborne made the fatal mistake of telling people an unpalatable truth.
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« Reply #206 on: June 24, 2016, 04:57:10 PM »
Missed that - he's finished because Brexit

Yes but that is because the truth that he struggled to tell was not believed.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #207 on: June 24, 2016, 05:03:05 PM »
The saddest thing I've seen, already mentioned by blue, is that the young voted fairly heavily for Remain, while older people voted for Leave.   They will be dead, while the young will have to live with the decisions that the elderly made. 
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« Reply #208 on: June 24, 2016, 05:10:06 PM »
The saddest thing I've seen, already mentioned by blue, is that the young voted fairly heavily for Remain, while older people voted for Leave.   They will be dead, while the young will have to live with the decisions that the elderly made.

I jokingly said some time ago, that people over 70 should not be allowed a vote on this.
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« Reply #209 on: June 24, 2016, 05:19:31 PM »
The saddest thing I've seen, already mentioned by blue, is that the young voted fairly heavily for Remain, while older people voted for Leave.   They will be dead, while the young will have to live with the decisions that the elderly made.

At least the young have the option of emigrating, the old will probably have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of their actions.
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« Reply #210 on: June 24, 2016, 06:08:45 PM »
The saddest thing I've seen, already mentioned by blue, is that the young voted fairly heavily for Remain, while older people voted for Leave.   They will be dead, while the young will have to live with the decisions that the elderly made.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #211 on: June 25, 2016, 08:38:19 AM »
The saddest thing I've seen, already mentioned by blue, is that the young voted fairly heavily for Remain, while older people voted for Leave.   They will be dead, while the young will have to live with the decisions that the elderly made.

It looks horribly like the UK (if it still exists) will have to go cap in hand & ask for readmission in ten years time, on other countries terms.

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« Reply #212 on: June 25, 2016, 08:45:01 AM »
I have dual British and Irish Nationality. I am pleased I obtained Irish nationality in 2008 as I could do so. It might come in useful in the future, in view of the deep proverbial the UK is likely to be in!

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« Reply #213 on: June 25, 2016, 09:14:08 AM »
I jokingly said some time ago, that people over 70 should not be allowed a vote on this.

I'm over 70 - and in general terms I agree.

I also think that when it comes to important constitutional issues and that very unBritish device the referendum is used that the trigger for change should be either more than 50% of the people entitled to vote or more than 66.6% of the turnout.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #214 on: June 25, 2016, 09:18:02 AM »
I'm over 70 - and in general terms I agree.

I also think that when it comes to important constitutional issues and that very unBritish device the referendum is used that the trigger for change should be either more than 50% of the people entitled to vote or more than 66.6% of the turnout.

Agreed. Every organisation that I have ever joined has required 66.6% to approve a constitutional change.

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« Reply #215 on: June 25, 2016, 09:46:26 AM »
I have dual British and Irish Nationality. I am pleased I obtained Irish nationality in 2008 as I could do so. It might come in useful in the future, in view of the deep proverbial the UK is likely to be in!

You have no loyalty to the uk and its people then?

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« Reply #216 on: June 25, 2016, 09:55:03 AM »
Saddened by the news; want to apologise that my confidence in the commonsense of the British (sorry English and Welsh) electorate was misplaced when I predicted a Remain vote 18 - 24 months ago.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #217 on: June 25, 2016, 09:57:23 AM »
Missed that - he's finished because Brexit
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« Reply #218 on: June 25, 2016, 09:57:45 AM »
I don't think it's very democratic for the losing side to demand a re-vote, because they don't like the result.

I voted remain and it lost, now we have to get on with it, and show some backbone.

We, as a group of people, have to put our differences aside and knuckle down to it.

The only people that can make it work is us.

It is, what it is.

We need a direction now, we need to get the best trading deal we can from Europe and we need to show what we are made of.

We need to win back the respect of Europe.

We need to stop whinging and demanding a resit.

It's time to move on, and support each other.

Refuse to take up offers from call centres based abroad, support our local small businesses, stop buying cheap goods from China etc, and buy quality goods from the uk.

We need to support each other.

A re vote isn't democratic.

It's pathetic.

I'm not happy now crawling and grovelling back to the E U just because some of my fellow remain voters can't accept democracy.

It is, what it is.


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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #219 on: June 25, 2016, 09:59:38 AM »
At least the young have the option of emigrating, the old will probably have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of their actions.

You forget, part of the reason for doing this is to control immigration. There's no reason now for other EU countries to let our emigrants in.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2016, 10:01:24 AM »
You have no loyalty to the uk and its people then?
Why be loyal to people who have just destroyed the UK?
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #221 on: June 25, 2016, 10:03:05 AM »
I don't think it's very democratic for the losing side to demand a re-vote, because they don't like the result.

Who is demanding a revote?

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I voted remain and it lost, now we have to get on with it, and show some backbone.

There's nothing wrong about being very angry with the fuckwits who did this to us.
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #222 on: June 25, 2016, 10:05:08 AM »
You have no loyalty to the uk and its people then?
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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #223 on: June 25, 2016, 10:17:02 AM »
Given that already the BREXIT side have admitted their untruths during the campaign - namely that 350 million WON'T go to the NHS (Nigel Farage) and that we will still have free movement of people (DAniel Hannon MEP) I think a revote is the least they could do.

People were seriously misled by the Leave campaign.

Whereas the Remain campaign said that Sterling would take a big hit (true already) that the EU would not be at all friendly to us re negotiations (true already) that there would be instability in the markets (true already). Oh and we are now not as big an economy as we were 48 hours ago.

So Remain didn't actually mislead us - but Leave did on the evidence so far.

Rose - one could argue that it is anti-democratic to have lied over such an important and hugely influential decision in terms of our living standards and economic opportunities.

Personally a revote is the least I would want - I would then like to see Boris, Nigel and co up on charges of treason!

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Re: Who's for IN and who's for OUT:
« Reply #224 on: June 25, 2016, 10:26:47 AM »
Who is demanding a revote?

There's nothing wrong about being very angry with the fuckwits who did this to us.

It's a democracy,  we now need to unite and move on, not behave like spoilt little children having a tantrum.
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