Who's for IN and who's for OUT:

[floo]

Given that already the BREXIT side have admitted their untruths during the campaign - namely that 350 million WON'T go to the NHS (Nigel Farage) and that we will still have free movement of people (DAniel Hannon MEP) I think a revote is the least they could do.

People were seriously misled by the Leave campaign.

Whereas the Remain campaign said that Sterling would take a big hit (true already) that the EU would not be at all friendly to us re negotiations (true already) that there would be instability in the markets (true already). Oh and we are now not as big an economy as we were 48 hours ago.

So Remain didn't actually mislead us - but Leave did on the evidence so far.

Rose - one could argue that it is anti-democratic to have lied over such an important and hugely influential decision in terms of our living standards and economic opportunities.

Personally a revote is the least I would want - I would then like to see Boris, Nigel and co up on charges of treason!

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I agree there appears to have been a lot of misinformation where the Leave bunch were concerned. If there was another referendum tomorrow I suspect the result might be to remain!

[Bubbles]

Why be loyal to people who have just destroyed the UK?

Because they are my countrymen even if I don't agree with their choices.

IMO we now have to make this work, somehow.

We're not destroyed yet, we are well away from being destroyed.

ATM the doom and gloom is imaginary.

We have to deal with things as they come.

I don't believe in bailing out the minute the going gets tough, not really.

We need to encourage small businesses now and support them by buying their goods so they can get in a good place to export stuff.

It may take a while, and it might get rough, but I believe we can do it.

We need to do it, because the future generations need it.

If they ever decided further on in the future to undo this, we need to be a desirable country to rejoin the EU, one strong enough to negotiate a good re entry.

I think we owe it to the younger generation to at least try.

Everyone needs to find little ways of making it work.

The better we cope, the better off we are should the future generations ever want to reverse it.

We have to all get on board and make it work, somehow.

[jeremyp]

It's a democracy,  we now need to unite and move on, not behave like spoilt little children having a tantrum.

If it were practical I'd go away and let the people who brought us to this mess deal with it.

I'm very angry about this Jakswan. Don't make it worse by belittling how I feel.

[Aruntraveller]

If it were practical I'd go away and let the people who brought us to this mess deal with it.

I'm very angry about this Jakswan. Don't make it worse by belittling how I feel.

Spot on Jeremy.

[jakswan]

If it were practical I'd go away and let the people who brought us to this mess deal with it.

I'm very angry about this Jakswan. Don't make it worse by belittling how I feel.

Be angry with remain because their arguments lost.

[L.A.]

Why be loyal to people who have just destroyed the UK?

I'd charge the bastards with treason!

[Bubbles]

Who is demanding a revote?

There's nothing wrong about being very angry with the fuckwits who did this to us.

There was someone interviewed on the BBC this morning, demanding one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

About half a million people are demanding one.

[L.A.]

Be angry with remain because their arguments lost.

I think the BBC have a lot to answer for. In the name of impartiality they gave equal weight to obvious truths and obvious lies.

I think there should be an inquiry.

[Aruntraveller]

Be angry with remain because their arguments lost.

No. Leave lied.

[Bubbles]

When it comes to survival, fight or flight are two of the basic instincts and they probably test loyalty.

I guess I'm a fighter then 

Fight to make the best of it that I can.

I think we owe it to the young folks, to make it work.

Even if we didn't vote for it.

[jeremyp]

Because they are my countrymen even if I don't agree with their choices.

This is the problem, unwavering loyalty to idiots just because they were born in the same geographical land mass.

I'm English, British (although this term may become obsolete), European and a human being. We've just delivered a huge kick in the teeth other fellow human beings in Europe. I feel more one of them than one of Jack Knave or Jakswan right now.

IMO we now have to make this work, somehow.

Please stop being so patronising.

We're not destroyed yet, we are well away from being destroyed.

The UK will be destroyed. There's no doubt that Scotland will vote for independence within the next five years.

ATM the doom and gloom is imaginary.

No, it's happening right now. Look at the financial markets.

[jeremyp]

Be angry with remain because their arguments lost.

No. They always had the best arguments.

 I'll be angry with the people that bought the shitty xenophobic line of Nigel Farage and his ilk. I'll be angry with that fucking idiot the BBC found who voted leave and then was shocked that his vote actually counted for something.

[Bubbles]

It's a democracy,  we now need to unite and move on, not behave like spoilt little children having a tantrum.

Yes I'm with you on that one 

It's done now.

[jeremyp]

There was someone interviewed on the BBC this morning, demanding one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

About half a million people are demanding one.

I stand corrected.

There are over a million signatures on it now.

Does anybody know if it is true that there is a clause in the referendum bill that states a second referendum could take place if the turn out is less than 75%?

[jeremyp]

I guess I'm a fighter then 

The best thing to fight for i to get the decision reversed.

[Gordon]

A columnist in one of the Scottish papers this morning suggests that delaying the Article 50 notification to start the exit process until October, so as to allow Cameron to be replaced, is deliberate so that if events in the coming weeks show that 'Leave' really is madness it allows the incoming PM the option to call (if the support is sufficient in Westminster) a snap GE with a manifesto of setting aside the referendum result and not proceeding with 'Leave'.

Ordinarily this would sound like a conspiracy theory - but these are 'interesting times', as they say.

[jakswan]

No. They always had the best arguments.

 I'll be angry with the people that bought the shitty xenophobic line of Nigel Farage and his ilk. I'll be angry with that fucking idiot the BBC found who voted leave and then was shocked that his vote actually counted for something.

Subjectively you thought the arguments were the best, the arguments had to convince a majority to remain, objectively they were not good enough. Your side might have lost a few when you started calling anyone who disagreed names.

You have to persuade in a democracy.

[JP]

I would rather have stayed but remain lost in a democratic process. I cannot believe people would try to overturn that as they do not like it or disagree with it.

What sort of democratic process do you believe in?

[Bubbles]

No. Leave lied.

I'm cross with David Cameron because he seems to like giving people votes that IMO are destructive to this country.

I didn't agree with the government giving Scotland the chance to become independent and fortunately for him they didn't.

However he has overstepped the mark with allowing our country to vote on the EU membership, when a lot of the people here are so unsure of the facts about the EU that they can be put in the position of being potentially duped by one side.


I blame our present government ( if I'm going to blame anyone) for allowing us to vote with the level of ignorance that is common.

It should never have happened, IMO.

Now to top it off, we might lose Scotland as well.

I don't think our government and David Cameron have taken the best actions,  to do the best for this country.

Holding the referendum left us wide open to all sorts of claims.

A lot more thought needed to have gone into it.

Taking into account:

Ignorance of the population of what the EU actually stands for and how it works.

The opinions of the different age groups.

How different areas feel ie Scotland

What the motivations are for leaving actually are, and can they be solved another way?

Are the leave reasons anything to do with membership of the EU?

We voted to leave altogether, but was there another alternative, not quite as dramatic but to distance us from the EU without Brexit.

I hold the government responsible, and David Cameron especially, because they allowed a referendum with a level of ignorance that made the arguments of David Farage and the rest of them viable.

It's the decision makers I hold responsible.

For allowing a vote in the first place and not being responsible enough to ensure lies or misinformation didn't fall on fertile minds.

We were not ready for this vote, IMO.

[Bubbles]

A columnist in one of the Scottish papers this morning suggests that delaying the Article 50 notification to start the exit process until October, so as to allow Cameron to be replaced, is deliberate so that if events in the coming weeks show that 'Leave' really is madness it allows the incoming PM the option to call (if the support is sufficient in Westminster) a snap GE with a manifesto of setting aside the referendum result and not proceeding with 'Leave'.

Ordinarily this would sound like a conspiracy theory - but these are 'interesting times', as they say.

Yes, but what a bad thing to do in a supposedly democratic country.

Not only will they find Scotland have got fed up with politicians in London and want out, but that the rest of the U.K. are disillusioned and have no confidence in the Government in London.

No point in giving the country a vote if they just cast it aside because those few  " ruling" us don't like it.

That's like Scotland voting to leave and then ignoring the fact they voted to leave.

If someone is offered a vote, it should be respected, even if it's not liked.

 

The more I hear about our politicians and what someone in the gov in London is thinking of doing the less trustworthy they look by the minute.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rose,

Loyalty to the UK ( although I prefer Great Britain ) where does my loyalty lie, well in 2014 I voted my Loyalty, I told my fellow Brits I wanted to remain part of Great Britain, why?

I Love this little island we all occupy, I love our history ( then again it is soaked in blood ) I loved the fact that we are mostly a Christian country ( culturally ) I loved the fact that I was part of a nation that celebrated and loved cricket, although I reserved the right to make fun of that silly game but I felt proud to be part of that.

I loved the fact that I could walk down my high st and see the Union flag flying, I could say, yes I am part of that, my father fought for that flag.

I was brought up in a very socialist household but one which respected the Monarchy, I was taught that my fellow brothers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, London would stand shoulder to shoulder with me in common cause.

I loved the fact that this little island came up with a thing called the NHS, if you were sick, no matter cred, colour, religion, you would have free treatment.

I love the fact that I can walk the streets of Glasgow and see evidence of our history intermingled with British history, the Scots played a big part in creating what we are today, when the English, Welsh, Irish celebrate we too could also join in that celebration, we are part of that thing we call Great Britain.

But now I have watched as my fellow Brits have been pushed and bullied into making, for me, a terrible decision, Great Britain for me was a nation which had open arms, we embraced everyone who came to our shores, but something happened yesterday, no one can tell me that immigration was not a big factor in this whole mess.

Scotland voted to remain, to embrace that part which put the Great in Great Britain, so where does my loyalty lie? with my old style of thinking, Queen, Country, the Union flag or with a country ( Scotland ) that for me is still culturally Christian.

Right now as I type this, I haven't a clue, I see Scotland as outward looking and England and Wales as inward looking, should I rely on my old style thinking, face the future with my fellow Brits who have just voted to pull up the drawbridge or back Scotland who I think are looking to secure a bright future for our children and their children's children.

I think my loyalty should lie with our future generations.

There!! I got that off my chest, time for crispy bacon on very Scottish rolls.

Gonnagle.

[floo]

I have just signed the petition.

[JP]

There are those Gonnagle, who would argue to leave the over regulation of the EU and look out towards the rest of the world is putting us where we used to be.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

There are those Gonnagle, who would argue to leave the over regulation of the EU and look out towards the rest of the world is putting us where we used to be.

As in where we used to be in 1066?

[JP]

No, not 1066. Just trading with the rest of the world free of EU regulations, tarrifs etc.