Should religion have a public forum?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Given that there are people who want religion banned from cinemas, adverts, places of education, hospitals, social work, politics street evangelism what would people allow in terms of public religion?

[floo]

Given that there are people who want religion banned from cinemas, adverts, places of education, hospitals, social work, politics street evangelism what would people allow in terms of public religion?

Religion should not be forced down the throats of people who have no interest in it. Churches and other places of that nature are the places for religion.

As for forums of this nature, I join them so I can challenge the fundies/Biblical literalists. No none is forced to join a  religious forum, so if you don't like it, you don't have to remain.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Religion should not be forced down the throats of people who have no interest in it. Churches and other places of that nature are the places for religion.

As for forums of this nature, I join them so I can challenge the fundies/Biblical literalists. No none is forced to join a  religious forum, so if you don't like it, you don't have to remain.

I notice you have not voted. is this because you are afraid that your viewpoint will display a censorial attitude on your part?

[Rhiannon]

If religion is allowed to advertise beyond times and places of services and events it should have to prove its claims. Otherwise it is misrepresentation, and making promises for its product it can't keep. It's mascara stuck on false eyelashes.

[floo]

I notice you have not voted. is this because you are afraid that your viewpoint will display a censorial attitude on your part?

I have voted! I am not afraid of what people think about me!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I have voted! I am not afraid of what people think about me!

My apologies.

[floo]

My apologies.

I graciously accept your apology.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Vlad,

I voted, Yes, as full as any commercial product, in fact I going to start one of those Churches they have in the States, send me all yer money or your going straight to hell, could be worse, I could threaten them with Edinburgh

Gonnagle.

[Harrowby Hall]

I think that religion (and its various organisations) should have the same kind of public forum as any other product in the marketplace. However, its adherents should not expect no special treatment or privilege nor should they receive any. As Rhiannon has suggested, religion should be subject to the same legal constraints as any other product.

[ippy]

I think that religion (and its various organisations) should have the same kind of public forum as any other product in the marketplace. However, its adherents should not expect no special treatment or privilege nor should they receive any. As Rhiannon has suggested, religion should be subject to the same legal constraints as any other product.

My position too, this would be fair to all.

ippy

[Ricky Spanish]

Ask yersel.

What Would Jesus Want?

[Brownie]

Dear Vlad,

I voted, Yes, as full as any commercial product, in fact I going to start one of those Churches they have in the States, send me all yer money or your going straight to hell, could be worse, I could threaten them with Edinburgh

Gonnagle.

I offer my services as a fund raiser/administrator for your church, for a small salary plus commission.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

My position too, this would be fair to all.

ippy

Particularly if extended to the BHA and NSS, naturalism, Platonism, political parties as well.

[Owlswing]

Ask yersel.

What Would Jesus Want?

People whose attitudes and postings on this Forum do the religion of Christianity far more harm than good, brining it into serious disrepute by making statements that range from ludicrous to total nonsense to tge terminally unbelievable to SHUT UP.

[ippy]

Particularly if extended to the BHA and NSS, naturalism, Platonism, political parties as well.

You really have some difficulty understanding understanding Secular Humanism Vlad, how many times do you need to be reminded that the secular position is for a level playing field for all including Secular Humanism and no more privileges for the religious, just as the Secular Humanists are now and they continue as they do without any privileges.

There should always be freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

What's so difficult for you about the above where it never seems to sink in to your head and settle no matter how many times various people that post here keep on explaining this to you?   

What is it with you religiosos Vlad, their's you never getting or showing any sign of being able to understand the principles of the secular world and Hope with his negative proof syndrome?

ippy
 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You really have some difficulty understanding understanding Secular Humanism Vlad, how many times do you need to be reminded that the secular position is for a level playing field for all including Secular Humanism and no more privileges for the religious, just as the Secular Humanists are now and they continue as they do without any privileges.

There should always be freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

What's so difficult for you about the above where it never seems to sink in to your head and settle no matter how many times various people that post here keep on explaining this to you?   

What is it with you religiosos Vlad, their's you never getting or showing any sign of being able to understand the principles of the secular world and Hope with his negative proof syndrome?

ippy

But the trouble comes if my religion comes with brass bands and people in uniform doesn't it marching through the streets doing social work etc.

Where does that leave your idea of freedom from religion?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Re: Should religion have a public forum?

In which Trollboy fails to notice that "religion" already has a public forum - ie, the churches, temples etc in which it does its thing - while simultaneously deriding the very secularism that protects its right to do so, and failing to notice that what he's actually upset about is restraint on the unwarranted privileges that religion would arrogate to itself - teaching its faith beliefs as facts to children for example.

[Sassy]

Religion should not be forced down the throats of people who have no interest in it. Churches and other places of that nature are the places for religion.

As for forums of this nature, I join them so I can challenge the fundies/Biblical literalists. No none is forced to join a  religious forum, so if you don't like it, you don't have to remain.

Just as your constant moaning should not be forced down the throats of Christians and Atheists alike.
You don't challenge anything or anyone.
a) you haven't the knowledge to challenge Christianity.
b) you weren't forced to join this forum.

Being a member of a forum is not the issue. Taking place in debates is not the issue.
But you take the biscuit when you have no arguments to offer in debates on this forum. Just moan and complain.

[Sassy]

Ask yersel.

What Would Jesus Want?

He already has it....

ME... and of course all those others who choose to believe.


Ask yersel.

What don't you have?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

But you take the biscuit when you have no arguments to offer in debates on this forum. Just moan and complain.

For the avoidance of doubt, are you – Sassy – actually accusing someone else of having "no arguments" and of being here just to "moan and complain"? 

Someone else!!!!!!!!!

Wow!

[floo]

Just as your constant moaning should not be forced down the throats of Christians and Atheists alike.
You don't challenge anything or anyone.
a) you haven't the knowledge to challenge Christianity.
b) you weren't forced to join this forum.

Being a member of a forum is not the issue. Taking place in debates is not the issue.
But you take the biscuit when you have no arguments to offer in debates on this forum. Just moan and complain.

Oh Sass, to give you your due you are HILARIOUS. Of course you NEVER moan and complain about us wicked non believers, do you?

[Hope]

Not sure that any of the poll options have a great deal of bearing on a 'public forum'.  The idea of a 'public forum' is so much wider than the parameters laid out in the poll.  I have therefore not voted.

[Hope]

Religion should not be forced down the throats of people who have no interest in it. Churches and other places of that nature are the places for religion.

Would you put the same limitations on politics (ie, the Houses of Parliament in Westminster, The Senydd, Holyrood and the Parliament Buildings,in Cardiff/Edinburgh/Belfast; the offices of various levels of political representation; etc); or sport - the stadia and arenas in which they take place?

Incidentally, whilst the term 'church' does mean a specific building, it also means 'a local body of believers' - a meaning that long predates thae 'building' meaning.  As such, the church is no less part and parcel of society than any other group of people.

[ippy]

But the trouble comes if my religion comes with brass bands and people in uniform doesn't it marching through the streets doing social work etc.

Where does that leave your idea of freedom from religion?

You are showing how ignorant you are of the principles of Secularism again Vlad, The Sally Army brass bands are a delight to hear I have no objection to any brass band whether it's a religion membership based band or not, we have just filled up another old clothes bag for the S A to collect and good luck to them.

What it is the various religions have had their privileges for such a long time that religious people like you no longer see them as the privileges that they most certainly are, and as soon as anyone makes mention of any one of the many privileges religions that they have managed to acquire over the many years, we get the religious equivalent of the stuck pig syndrome, "oh these evil secularists are persecuting us, we can't let them get away with that".

We managed to do away with the stupid blasphemy laws, not that long ago, oh the crying and wailing about that, the latest crying and wailing is about privileged school transport for your lot, well bugger you and your religious privileges get used to it we secularists will be gnawing at this bone until it is in fact a level playing field for all, no matter how long it takes.

Just in case it still hasn't sunk into your head Vlad, that means a level playing field, no privileges for all including any, not just secularism, any non-religious organization as well.

I find it difficult to understand why you can't get it, secularism, it's very plain and straightforward.

Nobody I know wants to stop religious people doing whatever it is they wish to do when practicing their various religions, nor do I.

ippy

[floo]

Would you put the same limitations on politics (ie, the Houses of Parliament in Westminster, The Senydd, Holyrood and the Parliament Buildings,in Cardiff/Edinburgh/Belfast; the offices of various levels of political representation; etc); or sport - the stadia and arenas in which they take place?

Incidentally, whilst the term 'church' does mean a specific building, it also means 'a local body of believers' - a meaning that long predates thae 'building' meaning.  As such, the church is no less part and parcel of society than any other group of people.

Religion and politics are very different. Politicians are expected to prove their assertions have evidence to back them up, whereas there is none to support any religious faith.