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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 04:45:05 PM »
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Down with this sort of thing

Down with his Speedos?

Well, if it floats your boat...
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 04:46:20 PM »
So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.

"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*

WTF?

* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj
« Last Edit: June 06, 2016, 04:49:52 PM by Shaker »
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 04:54:36 PM »
So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.

"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*

WTF?

* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj

In which case we are all liable to be arrested at some time until they have the entire population on the record.

"No, no, son, you are not being arrested for being black, you're being arrested 'cos you are not on the DNA database!
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 05:00:20 PM »
Apparently, charged with being drunk and disorderly. He may well have been drinking but there was no sign of disorder in his behaviour.

I noticed other people filming the incident. I wonder if any of them will be prepared to attend the magistrates court and let the bench see their recordings? Or perhaps upload their recordings to YouTube and hold the police officers concerned to "public ridicule".

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 05:10:45 PM »
In which case we are all liable to be arrested at some time until they have the entire population on the record.

"No, no, son, you are not being arrested for being black, you're being arrested 'cos you are not on the DNA database!

However, it seems it is possible to "reclaim" your DNA.

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 05:17:31 PM »
So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.

"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*

WTF?

* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj

It's pretty worrying that this kind of abuse of power can go on today.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 05:36:57 PM »
It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 07:05:34 PM »
It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.

. . . and people worry about EU laws!
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 07:06:13 PM »
. . . and people worry about EU laws!
Many do, and quite rightly so.

In this case however EU laws are only another instance of the "Don't look over here, look over there!" body swerve beloved of Hope, i.e. irrelevant.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2016, 10:41:31 AM »
The guy was not a public nuisance even if a little of a spectacle. But I saw nothing for which to charge him or arrest him.
Had it been a young woman in a scantily clad bikini would they have chatted her up or asked her out on a date?
I think the fact he was doing no harm and people see men dressed the same at the swimming baths I am not sure why
they picked on him.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2016, 02:34:59 PM »
Apparently, charged with being drunk and disorderly. He may well have been drinking but there was no sign of disorder in his behaviour.

I noticed other people filming the incident. I wonder if any of them will be prepared to attend the magistrates court and let the bench see their recordings? Or perhaps upload their recordings to YouTube and hold the police officers concerned to "public ridicule".

I thought the same HH, I hope they do!  He didn't do anything wrong.  This is evidence that the law is an ass.  One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2016, 02:42:17 PM »
OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2016, 02:45:16 PM »
I thought the same HH, I hope they do!  He didn't do anything wrong.  This is evidence that the law is an ass.  One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.

Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.


The cliché, the law is an ass, is as with most clichés, used in a way that almost removes all meaning.

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2016, 02:47:08 PM »
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OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?


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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2016, 02:55:33 PM »
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2016, 02:59:17 PM »
OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?

Neither does this oldie!

But the guy is perfectly entitled to offend people's aesthetic sense by flaunting his bloated old body if it floats his boat.

Give me Beckham every time!  ;)

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2016, 03:06:43 PM »
I thought the same HH, I hope they do!  He didn't do anything wrong.  This is evidence that the law is an ass.  One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.

And if you get burgled or robbed or beaten up - who are you going to call? It sure ain't the bloody Ghostbusters - you are going to call those very same cops that you want held up to ridicule.

Some people make me totally fucking sick!

My son has a six-inch knife scar on his ribs where the knife that was supposed to be going into the guts of the girlfriend of the bloke holding the knife went under the edge of his stab vest.

The girl's comment when it was pointed out to her that he had been wounded was - guess what?

He shouldn't have got in the fuckin' way then should he!

And people wonder why there are too few new coppers enetering the service - why? Attitudes like those expressed here - a couple of coppers doing something vaguely daft according to some and suddenly all coppers are idiots.

Thanks a bunch people! Think about this thread when you phone for a copper and they tell you that they don't have anyone available at the moment.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2016, 03:12:56 PM »
So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?

Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2016, 03:15:05 PM »
Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.


The cliché, the law is an ass, is as with most clichés, used in a way that almost removes all meaning.
Doesn't the CPS have to be involved before it goes to court? Maybe they will drop the charge. Or maybe they think being in briefs only in Brick Lane is sufficient evidence of being disorderly?
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2016, 03:17:29 PM »
So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?

Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.

Oh pardon me for having a contrary view of what has been posted to yours.
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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2016, 03:21:25 PM »
Oh pardon me for having a contrary view of what has been posted to yours.


I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. I have a problem with you misrepresenting what people have said. Which you have just done again in the above post.

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2016, 03:21:46 PM »
So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?

Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.

Quote from YOU, NS

Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.

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This is evidence that the law is an ass.  One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.

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It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.

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Re: Budgie smuggling and the law
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2016, 03:25:28 PM »
Quote from YOU, NS

Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.

Quote from Brownie

This is evidence that the law is an ass.  One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.

Quote from Shaker

It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
I suggest you try reading what you quoted from me again
 It isn't a generalisation and is challenging Brownie


Or do you think no policemen can be asses, or get the law wrong?