Are we done here?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Wiggs,

There must be a Christian college, which trains people in important fallacies, and how to use them.   The negative proof fallacy, straw-manning, reversal of burden of proof, with a side-dish of the problem of induction.   

Is there a degree in it?

I think there must be - it's breaking out all over the place!

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Or perhaps more and more Christians are realising (finally) that secular philosophy, when scrutinized with the same kind of tests required of religious belief, are to be found wanting. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sword,

Or perhaps more and more Christians are realising (finally) that secular philosophy, when scrutinized with the same kind of tests required of religious belief, are to be found wanting. 

No-one claims "secular philosophy" (whatever that means) to be perfect or complete. That though no more validates Chrstianity than it validates leprechaunism. 

You are Vlad aren't you - same logical errors, same straw men, same non sequiturs, same etc. Gawaaaan - you can tell us!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There must be a Christian college, which trains people in important fallacies, and how to use them.   The negative proof fallacy, straw-manning, reversal of burden of proof, with a side-dish of the problem of induction.   

Yes, Here are the details.

The Divine College of Wigginhall's imagination.
Lower Wigginhall's Brain Street
Wigtown
Scotland.

[Sebastian Toe]

Yes, Here are the details.

The Divine College of Wigginhall's imagination.
Lower Wigginhall's Brain Street
Wigtown
Scotland.

dont you mean;

The High Church of the Venerable Straw Man
Hay Drive
Vladivostok
Russia

[Walt Zingmatilder]

dont you mean;

The High Church of the Venerable Straw Man
Hay Drive
Vladivostok
Russia

Vladivostok?

Surely you mean Hay on Why.

[Sebastian Toe]

Vladivostok?

Surely you mean Hay on Why.

Twatt.

[Brownie]

Seb, re: Vlad; he's from Transylvania.

[Sebastian Toe]

Seb, re: Vlad; he's from Transylvania.

Is he a transvestite? 

[Aruntraveller]

Is he a transvestite? 

Sweet.

[Nearly Sane]

Sweet.

It's just a jump to the right....

[Brownie]

Sebastian Toe 15/09/16:

Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2016, 03:24:17 PM
Seb, re: Vlad; he's from Transylvania.

Is he a transvestite? 


It's more about transfusions.

[Sebastian Toe]

It's just a jump to the right....

Let's do....

[Sassy]

Or perhaps more and more Christians are realising (finally) that secular philosophy, when scrutinized with the same kind of tests required of religious belief, are to be found wanting. 

For the atheist... it is all words but words without power which debilitate and destroy.
The believer does not rely on the words of men but the words of God given unto men and the power which is God which makes those words truth.

Men of God act on the words of God, knowing that the Almighty Father behind them makes the outcome possible in truth.

In truth the believers receives hope, assurance and life. They receive by power all the promises of God and know God loves them.
Men say and do things to tear down the truth of the word for themselves who disbelieve.
But they are blind to the damage they do themselves.
But the seed of the word in those who believe grows and bears fruit.

Christians don't doubt their God or his truth.
They just fail to see how other men in ignorance could fail even by earthly wisdom to want to test it and know God and his goodness.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

For the atheist... it is all words but words without power which debilitate and destroy.
The believer does not rely on the words of men but the words of God given unto men and the power which is God which makes those words truth.

Men of God act on the words of God, knowing that the Almighty Father behind them makes the outcome possible in truth.

In truth the believers receives hope, assurance and life. They receive by power all the promises of God and know God loves them.
Men say and do things to tear down the truth of the word for themselves who disbelieve.
But they are blind to the damage they do themselves.
But the seed of the word in those who believe grows and bears fruit.

Christians don't doubt their God or his truth.
They just fail to see how other men in ignorance could fail even by earthly wisdom to want to test it and know God and his goodness.

Of course Sassy, of course. Now all you have to do - finally - it tell us why these people think there to be a "God" at all rather than just jump straight to the assertion that they know what "his" words are.

And no, "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument.

Good luck with it!

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Now all you have to do - finally - it tell us why these people think there to be a "God" at all rather than just jump straight to the assertion that they know what "his" words are.

I wonder how many times this question has been answered by Christians posting here over the years, indeed even in the short time I've been here. Then all I ever see from you is a response telling them why what they have said is invalid. For example:

And no, "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument.

Your approach is like asking someone to swim from A to B, but they can't use freestyle, breast-stroke, back-stroke, butterfly, ...

[torridon]

I wonder how many times this question has been answered by Christians posting here over the years, indeed even in the short time I've been here. Then all I ever see from you is a response telling them why what they have said is invalid.

That is because "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument. It's a fallacy, more specifically its an appeal to authority

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

That is because "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument. It's a fallacy, more specifically its an appeal to authority

You missed the point of my post. Bluehillside is always effectively asking Christians to walk from A to B without moving their feet! This was part of his question:

Now all you have to do - finally - it tell us why these people think there to be a "God"

The operative word being think. It doesn't matter whether their reasons for belief are valid or not, never mind someone's subjective opinion on them!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sword,

I wonder how many times this question has been answered by Christians posting here over the years, indeed even in the short time I've been here.

So far, not once.

Then all I ever see from you is a response telling them why what they have said is invalid. For example:

Quote from: You

And no, "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument.

That’s because circular arguments are bad arguments. If a theist wants to answer the question he has to break out of the loop of “God is real because it says so in the Bible/The Bible is accurate because God made it that way”.

Sassy, Sparky et al just ignore the problem, but it’s a problem nonetheless. 

Your approach is like asking someone to swim from A to B, but they can't use freestyle, breast-stroke, back-stroke, butterfly, ...

No, it’s like asking someone to swim from A to B but they can’t say that Poseidon will do it for them.

Anyways, it’s high time I found something more productive to do so I wish all and sundry here farewell and bon chance.

[Owlswing]

Hooray, for Hilly and Shakes, hooray for Hilly and Shakes, Hooray for Hilly and Shakes..........

Hooray for Vlad, Hooray at last, Hooray for Vlad, he's a horse's arse!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hooray for Vlad, Hooray at last, Hooray for Vlad, he's a horse's arse!

Crikey, A Humbug that can type!

[Nearly Sane]

moderator please do not derail thread with a set of insults

[Walt Zingmatilder]

moderator please do not derail thread with a set of insults

I suppose one insult was OK....yes. I see it was.

[Sassy]

Sassy,

Of course Sassy, of course. Now all you have to do - finally - it tell us why these people think there to be a "God" at all rather than just jump straight to the assertion that they know what "his" words are.

And no, "because it says so in the Bible" isn't an argument.

Good luck with it!

I see you haven't understood a word I said...

Come back when you know what you are talking about. Because the above doesn't relate to anything I said.

[Hope]

Sword,

So far, not once.

I'd agree, blue.  Anchorman, alone, answered it several times: others have answered it on many occaions as well.  So, not once if definitely true.

That’s because circular arguments are bad arguments.

Which is why I find you so difficult to understand; your arguments are amongst some of the most circular.

If a theist wants to answer the question he has to break out of the loop of “God is real because it says so in the Bible/The Bible is accurate because God made it that way”.

Sassy, Sparky et al just ignore the problem, but it’s a problem nonetheless.

Whereas you seem to believe that those kinds of answers are the only ones that count - because they are amongst the easiest to dismiss - even for a believer.  The more complex answers such as Anchorman and others have given are all to often dismissed because they AREN'T the "God is real because it says so in the Bible/The Bible is accurate because God made it that way" that you seem to require.