Gay club attacked in Florida

[Harrowby Hall]

There has just been a news item on the Today programme (06.35) suggesting that the gunman was a visitor to the Pulse nightclub. There was a hint (nothing more) that he may just have been gay (and possibly in denial) and that the club was sufficiently far from his home  for him to feel safe from recognition.

I wonder ......

[Bubbles]

There has just been a news item on the Today programme (06.35) suggesting that the gunman was a visitor to the Pulse nightclub. There was a hint (nothing more) that he may just have been gay (and possibly in denial) and that the club was sufficiently far from his home  for him to feel safe from recognition.

I wonder ......

Yes I was reading somewhere about a past acquaintance of his who said in the past he had not had an issue with gays and had even attended gay clubs and mixed with gays somewhere else.

Given that reports say he was laughing while he shot people it sounds like he was unstable and insane.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-isil-wages-war-on-gays-in-the-west-after-omar-m/

His friends and wife say he was gay.

http://gawker.com/multiple-people-say-the-orlando-shooter-was-gay-1781932976

He was a regular at the Pulse club

Their accounts echoed others who came forward Monday saying Mateen was part of the gay scene. Mateen was a regular at Pulse, the Orlando nightclub he attacked Sunday, patrons say—as often as twice a month. While he was there, he spoke of a wife and children and would often get so drunk he had to be escorted out of the club.

“He’s been going to this bar for at least three years,” Pulse performer Chris Callen told the Canadian Press.

[Bubbles]

Apparently he had also been considering Disney world as a target

http://tinyurl.com/jf8pxze

Moderator: long URL replaced.

[Bubbles]

Apparently according to this his dad declared himself the president of Afghanistan

videos ranting against US'
THE dad of Orlando nightclub killer Omar Mateen has been revealed as a Taliban sympathiser who made a TV show ranting about the USA.
Seddique Mateen, 59, has bizarrely declared himself the president of Afghanistan and makes proclamations via videos on Facebook.
The Afghan-national has said he “runs” the war-torn country from his Florida home and once declared the Taliban his “war brothers”.
Other episodes of his “Durand Jirga Show” are littered with “anti-US tirades”, according to AP.
Just hours before his son opened fire, the dad posted a rant calling for the arrest of leaders in his homeland.
Dressed in military fatigues, the self-styled politician barks: “I order the national army, national police and intelligence department to immediately imprison Karzai, Ashraf Ghani, Zalmay Khalilzad, Atmar, and Sayyaf.
“They are against our countrymen and against our homeland.”
It comes after the extremist's dad apologised for the attack, but claimed it had "nothing to do with religion".
He suggested his son had become angry after seeing two gay men kissing in downtown Miami in front of his wife and son.
The dad reportedly told NBC News: "We are saying we are apologising for the whole incident.
"We weren't aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country."
His dad later uploaded a Facebook apology "asking God for forgiveness".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1269999/florida-orlando-mass-shooting-biggest-massacre-american-history-fifty-dead-killer-omar-mateen-gay-club-pulse/

It's all a bit weird.

But then news papers sometimes print complete rubbish.

Like Birmingham in the uk being a no go zone for non Muslims ( Fox News).

[Bubbles]

Not that I'm an expert or anything but he sounds like a sociopath to me.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-was-laughing-frantically-during-massacre-report/

What do you think?

You have the temper and aggression, the antisocial aspect, the not fitting in, the lack of empathy.

Perhaps he attacked because he didn't fit in the gay scene either.

This is the symptoms of a sociopath

http://www.disabled-world.com/disability/types/psychological/sociopaths.php

Have a look.

He sounds like one to me.

One that got angry, didn't fit in, .......... Laughed frantically while killing.....

Something not right with that bloke, not just someone who hated gays.........

With this link you can even test yourself ( apparently it's a lot more common in the population than many people think) 3%

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath-10422016.html

( (note: added later. )although in this one he might be a psychopath instead as it could be hereditary)

[Bubbles]

Apparently one of the symptoms of a sociopath is lying and grandiose claims.

I saw this


http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/orlando_shooter_supported_conflicting_islamist_groups_that_are_fighting_each_other/

He claimed to be a member of Hezbollah and when he was investigated by the American Government they appear to have decided he didn't know enough about the situation to be telling the truth.

I think it was because he was a sociopath.( psychopath)

He appears to be such an inconsistent person, giving out so many different claims, I think it's a pity it wasn't recognised before he hurt someone.

The FBI had investigated Mateen twice. Comey said the first time was in 2013, when Mateen told co-workers that he had relatives connected to the Sunni extremist group al-Qaeda while simultaneously claiming he was a member of the Shia militia Hezbollah.

“FBI agents closed their 2013 investigation into Mateen after concluding that he didn’t understand how al-Qaeda operated and had not committed a crime,” the Los Angeles Times reported. “He told investigators he had been lying and blustering about his terrorist ties.”

In the second investigation, in 2014, the FBI said Mateen had been watching al-Qaeda propaganda videos and attending a mosque with Moner Abu Salha, a man who became a suicide bomber for al-Nusra.

He had something wrong with him, it's obvious if you look.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/06/orlando-shooter-loved-cops-wanted-one/

All the ingredients seem to be there.

His dad makes strange claims too.   

Does it run in families? Some things do.

[Shaker]

Actually it really isn't, it's just some biased web site you've dug up.
Stop blaming them for some other unconnected persons actions.

 

Try reading the link prior to opening your gob for a change.

[Gonnagle]

Dear World,

Do I have this right,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36522570

Under local law, he could have left the store with the rifle the same day - for the handgun, he would have needed to wait 72 hours.

You can buy and be on the street the same day with the rifle, the weapon that fires lots of bullets quickly but you need to wait 72 hours for a handgun, am I reading this right??

3. You've been committed to a mental institution.
Since the 1960s, federal law has prohibited anyone who has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution from buying a gun. A person deemed "mentally defective" as determined by a court, for reasons of "subnormal intelligence or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease" is also banned.
This would also apply to anyone who has been found not guilty by reason of insanity in a court case.
In 2013, the state of Florida expanded this prohibition - with the approval of the National Rifle Association - to include people who have voluntarily committed themselves to a mental hospital. It joined states like Illinois, Maryland and the District of Columbia in expanding this restriction.

And there we have it in black and white, the NRA say its okay.

Gonnagle.

[Udayana]

hmm.. NRA says what's OK?

[Rhiannon]

That people who voluntarily go into psychiatric care can't be allowed a weapons license, as well as those who are sectioned.

[Brownie]

There has just been a news item on the Today programme (06.35) suggesting that the gunman was a visitor to the Pulse nightclub. There was a hint (nothing more) that he may just have been gay (and possibly in denial) and that the club was sufficiently far from his home  for him to feel safe from recognition.

I wonder ......

Nothing would surprise me, people often protest too much.  When they are too vituperative and obsessive, it makes me wonder.  Still we can't believe half of what is written in the media and they are having a field day atm.

[Rhiannon]

Brilliant, brilliant clip here from the vigil in Soho and members of the LGBTI community explaining how they still feel being out and why gay clubs are a sanctuary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36525653#video-36525653

[Shaker]

The footage of the vigil that I saw last night was so moving, I thought.

[Rhiannon]

I hesitate to post this, it's so heartbreaking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36520213

[floo]

How many more awful crimes will there be before the US realises that their love affair with guns is the problem?

[Rhiannon]

The one thing that encourages me is that the younger generation don't seem to share their parents' fixation with guns. Probably because it is the young that are nearly always the victims of mass shootings.

[Shaker]

How many more awful crimes will there be before the US realises that their love affair with guns is the problem?

Lots and lots.

[Bubbles]

Try reading the link prior to opening your gob for a change.

I did read the link, it was my thoughts on it.

Don't assume others don't read them before you pass judgement.

[Shaker]

Things may have changed by now (I haven't checked) but when I posted #96 last night the sole tweet from the NRA - the largest and most aggressive pro-gun lobby in the US - in the wake of the largest gun-related massacre (50 dead, over 50 injured, hundreds grieving) in American history is to remind people that they can buy NRA-themed gifts for Father's Day.

[Bubbles]

Probably because they recognise it's not the gun that is the issue, but the person behind it.

[Shaker]

Probably because they recognise it's not the gun that is the issue, but the person behind it.

Not the gun that's the issue?

Have you been decapitated in a freak tweezer accident this morning or somehing?

[Bubbles]

Not the gun that's the issue?

Have you been decapitated in a freak tweezer accident this morning or somehing?

Most people can be trusted to shoot a gun safely without mowing down people.

Tragic as it is, more people die on the roads.

Perhaps we should ban cars, after all in the course of a year  they kill and maim thousands.

Some Americans are attached to their guns the way others are to their car.

Again it's not the car that's the issue, but the driver.

[Aruntraveller]

Most people can be trusted to shoot a gun safely without mowing down people.

Tragic as it is, more people die on the roads.

Perhaps we should ban cars, after all in the course of a year  they kill and maim thousands.

Some Americans are attached to their guns the way others are to their car.

Again it's not the car that's the issue, but the driver.

Oh for goodness sake Rose.

Since John Lennon was assasinated in 1981 - over 1 million people have been killed by gun crime in the USA. 1 MILLION. And this has nothing to do with easy access to guns does it?

Just don't post until you've read that figure 1 million times.

Interestingly it is expected that this year for the first time gun deaths will surpass car deaths.

The other main point being that the vast majority of car deaths are accidental - whereas gun crime is often pre-meditated. The sensible application of gun control laws would in all pronbabilty limit the number of gun deaths in the USA.

What are you not getting??

[Bubbles]

Oh for goodness sake Rose.

Since John Lennon was assasinated in 1981 - over 1 million people have been killed by gun crime in the USA. 1 MILLION. And this has nothing to do with easy access to guns does it?

Just don't post until you've read that figure 1 million times.

The number of people killed and injured  by cars and other vehicles is much higher.

[Aruntraveller]

The number of people killed and injured  by cars and other vehicles is much higher.

See my edited post above.