Gay club attacked in Florida

[Sassy]

Robertson and Trump come out of the same evil extremist mould!

What is evil about not wanting people in their country who carry out the events like the 9/11 and gay nightclub killings?

I don't see anything evil in wishing to prevent foreigners from coming to their country to kill them.

Would you let people in your home who hated you or the way lived and would kill you if they get the chance?

I suppose you need to see the real issues and not the prejudicial issues like Pat Robertson being a Christian.
He has for many years been abroad giving food, healing and medical help to poor people.
Giving aid in times of crisis from flood and famine. As a human being he has been more helpful to mankind than you will ever be. What is evil about providing and caring about the needs of others. He could be like you an atheist who sits at home and bad mouths people who do good to others, but I guess he doesn't have the time running an organisation which cares for others.

Shame on you.

[floo]

What is evil about not wanting people in their country who carry out the events like the 9/11 and gay nightclub killings?

I don't see anything evil in wishing to prevent foreigners from coming to their country to kill them.

Would you let people in your home who hated you or the way lived and would kill you if they get the chance?

I suppose you need to see the real issues and not the prejudicial issues like Pat Robertson being a Christian.
He has for many years been abroad giving food, healing and medical help to poor people.
Giving aid in times of crisis from flood and famine. As a human being he has been more helpful to mankind than you will ever be. What is evil about providing and caring about the needs of others. He could be like you an atheist who sits at home and bad mouths people who do good to others, but I guess he doesn't have the time running an organisation which cares for others.

Shame on you.

They are both racist scum!

[john]

Look at the way the shootings are being reported in the Arab language press by the BBC and Al Jazeera amongst others.

The shooter is highly praised and Allah is asked to reserve the highest place in heaven for him!!!

http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/

[Nearly Sane]

Look at the way the shootings are being reported in the Arab language press by the BBC and Al Jazeera amongst others.

The shooter is highly praised and Allah is asked to reserve the highest place in heaven for him!!!

http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/

Just to note it's not being reported as such rather than comments in comments sections

[Owlswing]

What is evil about not wanting people in their country who carry out the events like the 9/11 and gay nightclub killings?

I don't see anything evil in wishing to prevent foreigners from coming to their country to kill them.

Would you let people in your home who hated you or the way lived and would kill you if they get the chance?

I suppose you need to see the real issues and not the prejudicial issues like Pat Robertson being a Christian.
He has for many years been abroad giving food, healing and medical help to poor people.
Giving aid in times of crisis from flood and famine. As a human being he has been more helpful to mankind than you will ever be. What is evil about providing and caring about the needs of others. He could be like you an atheist who sits at home and bad mouths people who do good to others, but I guess he doesn't have the time running an organisation which cares for others.

Shame on you.

So I suppose that you would have banned the (Southern) Irish from entering England during the IRA attack period?

No, of course you wouldn't because that was Christian (Catholic) against Christian (Protestant).

[Nearly Sane]

I don't know about Pat Robertsons comments but if you want something to really make you feel ill try this Baptist preacher:

http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2016/6/14/sacramento-baptist-preacher-applauds-shooting

Umfortunately not alone

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/06/12/christian-pastor-celebrates-nightclub-massacre-theres-50-less-pedophiles-in-this-world/

[Rhiannon]

Here's what Anonymous are doing.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36560852

[Brownie]

Sassy: "What is evil about not wanting people in their country who carry out the events like the 9/11 and gay nightclub killings?

I don't see anything evil in wishing to prevent foreigners from coming to their country to kill them.

Would you let people in your home who hated you or the way lived and would kill you if they get the chance?"

I agree with that, we wouldn't let anyone into our lives if we perceived them to be dangerous.   However there are plenty of home-grown people already in our lives who are anti-social and violent.   Also we cannot tar every group of people with the same brush just because of a rotten apple in the barrel (mixed metaphor!), each person is an individual.

[jeremyp]

Dear World,

Do I have this right,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36522570

You can buy and be on the street the same day with the rifle, the weapon that fires lots of bullets quickly but you need to wait 72 hours for a handgun, am I reading this right??

A hand gun can fire lots of bullets quickly. The rifle in question was semi-automatic meaning you need to pull the trigger for every shot. You could probably get the same rate of fire from a handgun except the magazine would be smaller.

The other thing about hand guns is they are much easier to conceal which makes them the weapon of choice for many nefarious purposes. Also, rifles have legitimate uses other than killing people e.g. hunting, although it is a stretch to say an AR15 is a good hunting weapon.

Even here in the UK, we have an almost complete ban on hand guns but it is possible for civilians to get hold of rifles with a good reason.

[BeRational]

A hand gun can fire lots of bullets quickly. The rifle in question was semi-automatic meaning you need to pull the trigger for every shot. You could probably get the same rate of fire from a handgun except the magazine would be smaller.

The other thing about hand guns is they are much easier to conceal which makes them the weapon of choice for many nefarious purposes. Also, rifles have legitimate uses other than killing people e.g. hunting, although it is a stretch to say an AR15 is a good hunting weapon.

Even here in the UK, we have an almost complete ban on hand guns but it is possible for civilians to get hold of rifles with a good reason.

I thought it was a complete ban on handguns.

[Rhiannon]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/guns-you-can-legally-buy-in-the-uk-2016-4

[BeRational]

Thanks for the link.

It also confirms that you cannot own a handgun.

I knew about the 3 cartridge limit for shotguns as I own a 2 shot version.

My preference would be for the sort of gun I can fire in America.

[Sriram]

Donald Trump on the Orlando shooting.....


"If we had people, where the bullets were going in the opposite direction, right smack between the eyes of this maniac," Trump said, gesturing between his eyes. "And this son of a b---- comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happened to have (a gun) and goes boom. You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks."

[BeRational]

Donald Trump on the Orlando shooting.....


"If we had people, where the bullets were going in the opposite direction, right smack between the eyes of this maniac," Trump said, gesturing between his eyes. "And this son of a b---- comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happened to have (a gun) and goes boom. You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks."

Of course on that particular occasion he would be right. More people having guns in that one event would probably have stopped the carnage.

The problem of course that more guns in general greatly increases the chance of fatal shooting.

[jeremyp]

Thanks for the link.

It also confirms that you cannot own a handgun.

This is not completely true. There are exceptions e.g. you can have a handgun that was manufactured before 1919 as long as it's only for collection or display and you don't have any ammunition. Also, muzzle loading pistols are allowed for gun clubs.

That's why I said "almost complete".

[jeremyp]

Donald Trump on the Orlando shooting.....


"If we had people, where the bullets were going in the opposite direction, right smack between the eyes of this maniac," Trump said, gesturing between his eyes. "And this son of a b---- comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happened to have (a gun) and goes boom. You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks."

There was a person there with a gun. He didn't stop the shooter.

[jeremyp]

Of course on that particular occasion he would be right. More people having guns in that one event would probably have stopped the carnage.

In a dark, crowded, noisy nightclub where many people had been drinking?

I seriously doubt it.

[BeRational]

In a dark, crowded, noisy nightclub where many people had been drinking?

I seriously doubt it.

Having zero guns to stop him means you have zero chance.
Having other guns increases the chance from zero to something greater than zero.
Not a good reason to have more guns but it makes statement obviously trivially true.

[Brownie]

I was just reading this:
Before his killing spree at an Orlando nightclub, the vicious gunman wrote several Facebook posts demanding the United States and Russia stop bombing the Islamic State and promised more violence ahead, according to published reports.

Mateen posted: "You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes. Now taste the Islamic state vengeance," the New York Times reported what Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin wrote in a letter to Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg. In his final post, Mateen said, "In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the USA."

Why don't the USA and Russia stop bombing the Islamic State?  IS may be deeply unpopular but, whatever the ideology, the bombings aren't achieving anything.  Obama said he was going to stop it when he came to power but though he has pulled out troops from some areas, the bombings continue  .  What's the point?

[Rhiannon]

Fantastic scenes from Congress.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736

The majority of Americans want tighter gun control. The majority of Republicans who block it receive donations from the NRA.

[Owlswing]

Fantastic scenes from Congress.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736

The majority of Americans want tighter gun control. The majority of Republicans who block it receive donations from the NRA.

So much for the much vaunted "democracy" of the US!

[Harrowby Hall]

So much for the much vaunted "democracy" of the US!

But it has always been thus. The presidency is always up for sale and currently one Donald J Trump is trying to buy it.

[BeRational]

This is not completely true. There are exceptions e.g. you can have a handgun that was manufactured before 1919 as long as it's only for collection or display and you don't have any ammunition. Also, muzzle loading pistols are allowed for gun clubs.

That's why I said "almost complete".

Okay, but I would not want one of those antiques. I would be interested in a fully working modern hand gun, of the kind that I can use in the US.

[Owlswing]

Okay, but I would not want one of those antiques. I would be interested in a fully working modern hand gun, of the kind that I can use in the US.

Why?

[Hope]

What's the situation regarding the sit-in in the House of Representatives?