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Orlando Gay Murders
« on: June 13, 2016, 09:00:15 AM »
In light of yesterday's bloody atrocities in an Orlando Gay Club, can anyone here explain Islam's view on homosexuality & how it's dealt with or ordered to be dealt with by Muslims ???

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« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 09:11:47 AM by Rose »

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 09:15:02 AM »
One guy appears to be back peddling furiously on what he meant.

http://fusion.net/story/313063/orlando-terror-attack-muslim-lgbt/

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 09:17:31 AM »
This one shows that in the USA at least there are mixed views on it, among Muslims.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/07/muslim-gay-150712061122712.html

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 02:59:44 PM »
Just a few more things to see if we allow this to continue .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gld9hERDU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgLWcsbOD8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvoImGJBnQ

What a lovely religion !?!?!?


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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 03:07:10 PM »
Should we be surprised when people think this is OK too ?!?!!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 06:58:39 PM »
Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2016, 08:53:10 PM »
Why is this on the Muslim Topic as well as being in General?
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2016, 09:00:51 PM »
Cos we're trying to make sense - ha ha bloody ha - as to what Islam & muslims say about homosexuality. Weren't those bastards anti-gay muslims who murdered in that gay bar ?!?!!?!?!?

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2016, 09:29:28 PM »
Cos we're trying to make sense - ha ha bloody ha - as to what Islam & muslims say about homosexuality. Weren't those bastards anti-gay muslims who murdered in that gay bar ?!?!!?!?!?
Nick, there was only one killer in that bar until the police killed him.  Do we yet know how (or if) the killer was related to Islamic terrorism?  It would appear that he terrorised his wife over a number of years before she left him.
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2016, 10:16:36 PM »
It appears it was a lone gunman who was ''self-radicalised''.  An unstable character.  Hope is right that he abused his wife.

Comparisons can be made with that Norwegian chap, Breivik, who massacred a group of kids on holiday a few years ago.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2016, 01:41:44 AM »
Nick, there was only one killer in that bar until the police killed him.  Do we yet know how (or if) the killer was related to Islamic terrorism?  It would appear that he terrorised his wife over a number of years before she left him.

He claimed to be acting for IS in a phone call before the attack and he had been investigated twice by the F B I for terrorist linked activities but each file had been closed, hence his ability to LEGALLY buy a pair of firearms inculding an assault rifle as per rules imposed/saved from change after previous mass killings by Senators and Congressmen paid by the N R A** to ensuere that the rules are not significantly changed.


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See tonight's Evening Standard article on the lack of action after various such shootings
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2016, 10:18:29 AM »
See also how Islamic majority countries deal with homosexuality.

Throwing them from high buildings is the norm I believe.

Is it any wonder that the attitudes of Muslims who do live in more enlightened countries are influenced to be anti gay?
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 01:20:31 PM »
Reaction to Orlando shooting in the Arab speaking world is largely in strong support of the shooter. Read the link below to see how BBC's Arabic channel and Al Jazeera report the issue...... Unbelievable and very scary.


http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2016, 02:11:40 PM »
You seem surprised - I'm bloody well NOT !!!!!!
Bastards !!!

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2016, 02:41:07 PM »
Reaction to Orlando shooting in the Arab speaking world is largely in strong support of the shooter. Read the link below to see how BBC's Arabic channel and Al Jazeera report the issue...... Unbelievable and very scary.


http://www.arabhumanists.org/arab-reaction-orlando-depressing/

Un believeable? Not if you have read any of thge reports of treatment of gays in any of the Middle Eastern muslim countries or the demands of Muslim clerics in the West.
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2016, 02:47:27 PM »
Makes one glad to be living in an EU country.
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2016, 07:29:13 PM »
Comments on blog posts or Twitter are not representative. Otherwise you could assume that the typical western male's response to a feminist is to threaten to rape her.

This kind of social media brings out the trolls, the wums, the wankers and the seriously disturbed. We can't take it as representing any more than that.

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2016, 08:59:40 PM »
Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?
Is it gendered in the first place?
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2016, 09:08:08 PM »
Yes It would make more sense if it weren't, no ?!!?!?
OR SOME at least ?!!?!?

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2016, 11:47:44 PM »
Is it gendered in the first place?
Does it actually exist in the first place?
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2016, 09:45:17 AM »
Is there anybody here who actually believes or even KNOWS whether the spirit, the thing inside our bodies that 'thinks' & moves it around, is male or female ?!!?!?
Can this be possible ?!!?!?

I assumed you didn't mean 'God' Trippy, just our own spirit.  I've never thought about that before, I suppose I unconsciously believed that, as I am of the female gender, so is my spirit.

Anyway I found this on a site called 'Quora' (which is a quite bizarre site in some ways but there isn't much on the 'net about this, only about God), and I note it doesn't differentiate between soul and spirit:

"Is the spirit or soul "Male" or "Female"?
Nuno Desa

The Soul is outside of the polarity of male/female, having both energies within. So it's always a mistake, or perhaps a great bending of concept, to call a Soul as "he" or "she".

Having said that, it is possible that on some level, at some point in time, by its characteristics, traits, preferences, and general ways of being, that a Soul, for a time, identifies itself - or chooses to manifest itself to others - as one specific gender, or alignment.

The Universe, after all, is fundamentally divided in Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine (or may be considered in these two base components at a conceptual level)."

I'd be interested to know what Sririam believes about this.
However I fail to see what it has to do with this topic!
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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2016, 10:24:53 AM »
I DID mean our spirit, yes.
How can a spirit be male or female anyway??? If so how would it physically express itself without a body ??
If NOT & we're all kinda neutral then being 'gay' ha ha ha is totally irrelevant as it wouldn't exist, no ???

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Re: Orlando Gay Murders
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2016, 10:35:17 AM »
Blimey, what has being gay got to do with a male or female spirit?  Gayness is a sexual orientation, applicable to both sexes, not a gender issue.
What has this to do with the Orlando murders trippy?
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2016, 07:23:36 PM »
COS certain religions, not mentioning like !!!!, think being gay is entirely a choice !!!!
I don't think that so it begs the question about what sexuality has the inner being or spirit IF it has one, that is ?!!?!?!?