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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2016, 06:43:17 PM »
It's just terrible waste of a young life.

If the account of slogan shouting is true, it can only be the result the hateful political rhetoric being assimilated by a sick mind.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2016, 06:57:26 PM »
Directly linking this to the referendum is not evidenced currently. My thoughts are with her family.
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2016, 07:07:53 PM »
And it would be neither feasible nor sensible to cancel the referendum. Apart from anything else it would create a precedent capable of being used by any random nutter to halt any votes they think are going the wrong way

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2016, 07:12:11 PM »
Just seen a picture of her kids. They are so little to have lost their mum.

Yes, that's just what I thought Rhi.  It's so awful, it's difficult to take it in.
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2016, 08:06:57 PM »
Directly linking this to the referendum is not evidenced currently. My thoughts are with her family.

Again I agree. But it's been sobering reading the quotes coming from leading politicians across Europe, from countries who have a far worse history with fascism than us. If there is a suggestion that this is a result of the rhetoric that has come out of the referendum - and we may never know if it is or it isn't for sure - then they must be wondering what the hell we've unleashed on ourselves.


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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2016, 09:22:48 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:29 PM »
Yeah, but this is David Icke 'prince Charles is an alien' territory. One person one vote sounds great til you realise this lot will be included.

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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2016, 09:52:48 PM »
I think the man who did it, has been on treatment for mental illness for a long time.

That's what I read.

Not that that excuses anything, mind you.

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2016, 09:55:19 PM »
A terrible day.
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2016, 09:59:25 PM »
I think the man who did it, has been on treatment for mental illness for a long time.

That's what I read.

Not that that excuses anything, mind you.

Depends what the mental illness was. If it has left him of unsound mind/criminally insane/incapable if geo g held responsible for his actions, or whatever it's called now, then yes, it explains it. Otherwise it probably isn't that relevant.

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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2016, 10:15:00 PM »
Depends what the mental illness was. If it has left him of unsound mind/criminally insane/incapable if geo g held responsible for his actions, or whatever it's called now, then yes, it explains it. Otherwise it probably isn't that relevant.

I guess in time we will get some more info.


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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2016, 10:25:04 PM »
I guess in time we will get some more info.

At or around the trial I expect.

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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2016, 10:42:25 PM »
And that would have been 1812, iirc.  I knew that the last British MP to be assassinated was a Prime Minister, but I have to admit to having forgotten about Perceval.

And what about Airey Neave who was blown up by a hidden bomb as he drove his car out of the Houses of Parliament car park? I think that was about 1990.
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2016, 11:16:31 PM »
I think that was Ian Gow. Airey Neave was earlier.

And there was the Brighton bomb of course.

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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2016, 02:04:42 AM »
Really.

By this time next month, it will all be forgotten about.

There must be at least one person murdered somewhere in the UK on an average day.

Why is this particular event so newsworthy??
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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2016, 06:11:55 AM »
Really.

By this time next month, it will all be forgotten about.

There must be at least one person murdered somewhere in the UK on an average day.

Why is this particular event so newsworthy??

Because its suits certain political agendas?
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2016, 06:37:54 AM »
Really.

By this time next month, it will all be forgotten about.

There must be at least one person murdered somewhere in the UK on an average day.

Why is this particular event so newsworthy??

I think that you are wrong. This murder will not be forgotten. It is not just another random tragedy.

It strikes at the heart of our democratic process. It is using violence to achieve a political end - even though it may involve just some deranged individual it is mimicking what some of us see happening in the USA. It is an affront to our political ideals as well as a personal tragedy.

And it happened because a second-rate prime minister had serious party management problems ...  The rancour, distortions and appalling behaviour that this referendum has created have all damaged the public face of political life - perhaps seriously. But that this should lead to the murder of a Member of Parliament who was just doing her normal activities as an elected representative is an unspeakable degradation of democracy


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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2016, 06:48:52 AM »
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And it happened because a second-rate prime minister had serious party management problems ...  The rancour, distortions and appalling behaviour that this referendum has created have all damaged the public face of political life - perhaps seriously. But that this should lead to the murder of a Member of Parliament who was just doing her normal activities as an elected representative is an unspeakable degradation of democracy

I think when the full facts emerge, it will turn-out that it happened because a person with serious mental health problems (and access to a gun) got wound-up by the extreme language being used by people who really ought to know better.
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2016, 07:27:01 AM »
Really.

By this time next month, it will all be forgotten about.

There must be at least one person murdered somewhere in the UK on an average day.

Oh, that's alright then.

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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2016, 07:33:56 AM »
I think that you are wrong. This murder will not be forgotten. It is not just another random tragedy.

It strikes at the heart of our democratic process. It is using violence to achieve a political end - even though it may involve just some deranged individual it is mimicking what some of us see happening in the USA. It is an affront to our political ideals as well as a personal tragedy.

And it happened because a second-rate prime minister had serious party management problems ...  The rancour, distortions and appalling behaviour that this referendum has created have all damaged the public face of political life - perhaps seriously. But that this should lead to the murder of a Member of Parliament who was just doing her normal activities as an elected representative is an unspeakable degradation of democracy

This sort of causal suggestion isn't warranted by the evidence we currently have. And I think linking it to Cameron at all is ludicrous. A number of fairly sensible people I know have gone all Chicken Licken about this. It's a tragedy. We get a lot of them
 Extrapolating from them is difficult unless there is pattern.
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Re: MP shot and stabbed
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2016, 07:37:43 AM »
I think when the full facts emerge, it will turn-out that it happened because a person with serious mental health problems (and access to a gun) got wound-up by the extreme language being used by people who really ought to know better.


Really? So there are people out there saying 'go kill an MP?'

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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2016, 07:45:11 AM »
It is difficult to believe one of our MP's killed in such a way.
I pray for her family and friends and I hope nothing like this is repeated.
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