MP shot and stabbed

[Enki]

Am I the only one worried about the 'crazed mentally ill' headlines we're seeing? Let's not scapegoat Brexit, let's scapegoat the mentally ill instead.

Let's not try to scapegoat anyone or any group. Jo Cox, by all accounts, was a woman with deep compassion, an extraordinarily principled lady whose constant aim was to make the world a better place. Her husband has said, in particularly moving words, that hatred doesn't have a creed, race or religion. I, for one, will try my best not to demonise those with whom I disagree. I will try harder to understand another person's point of view. I will attempt to show greater consideration towards the people I meet. I, no doubt at times , will fail abysmally but, for me, because I admire the quality of her all too short life, this is something which I shall try harder to do.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Perhaps he was working for the EU? Or even worse brainwashed by the EU CIA style to do the dirty deed.

What is it with some Brexiteers that they will believe the more fanciful bollocks?

[Brownie]

More likely Freemasonry is at the bottom of it  .

[Jack Knave]

What is it with some Brexiteers that they will believe the more fanciful bollocks?

I wasn't being serious. It was a reaction to the pro-EU lot here who were coming up with their usual vitriol and misconception of linking UKIP with the far right and all the other crap they manage to throw into the mix.

[Jack Knave]

More likely Freemasonry is at the bottom of it  .

I'd say our own government in the desperation for sympathy Remain votes. Sacrifice a well loved Pro-EU Labour MP to save Camerons PM-ship by conflating her goodness with the EU project.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I wasn't being serious. It was a reaction to the pro-EU lot here who were coming up with their usual vitriol and misconception of linking UKIP with the far right and all the other crap they manage to throw into the mix.

I beg your pardon I have to confess I thought you were.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'd say our own government in the desperation for sympathy Remain votes. Sacrifice a well loved Pro-EU Labour MP to save Camerons PM-ship by conflating her goodness with the EU project.

Is this a wum?

[Jack Knave]

I beg your pardon I have to confess I thought you were.

Post hoc. Your reply post didn't convey that.

[Jack Knave]

Is this a wum?

How can it be a WUM? Who am I winding up? It is highly unlikely but plausible. Cameron's PM-ship is on the line and if he does fail this will be his legacy; not exactly a great way to go.

[Ricky Spanish]

Oh, that's alright then.

No. It's not alright. The point I was trying to make was in a few weeks time this event will be superseded by another one..


We all need to be Jellyfish these days!!

[Nearly Sane]

Piece about the work that Brendan Cox was doing prior to the murder of his wife

http://tinyurl.com/hfo9mft

[Nearly Sane]

Fund raising in memory of Jo Cox


https://www.gofundme.com/jocox

[floo]

Fund raising in memory of Jo Cox


https://www.gofundme.com/jocox

Thanks I have donated.

[Harrowby Hall]

Thanks I have donated.

As have I.

[Brownie]

Very worthwhile charities.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

One reply so far from my simple email.

Many thanks for the email.

I don't even have the words to express my thoughts on the tragic murder of Jo Cox.

You are right to raise mental health. I lead on health for my party and have a dedicated junior minister on the issue of mental health. I am also pleased that the Government has a dedicated Mental Health Minister. Our challenge is now to turn those good intentions into proper investment and action.

Jo's husband, Brendan, summed it up beautifully in his statement. Jo was a unifier, who saw what united us, not what divided us. We need to focus on that.

Kind regards,
Anas



Anas Sarwar MSP
Scottish Labour’s Shadow Cabinet Secretary for Health
Member of the Scottish Parliament for Glasgow (Labour)

When a man stands in court and announces that his name is "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" to me that is a sign of a sick mind, how did one man fall so far that he decided to take a human life so brutally.

To me this also leads on to the fertile ground for recruiting terrorists, when we marginalise certain groups they will look for an outlet, they will drift towards anyone who they think are on their side, if you feel you have let down by society you then become ideal fodder for indoctrination, Jo Cox's husband is right, we need to seek out what unite's us, not divides us.

I know this issue is a lot bigger than just mental health, but I think it is somewhere where we can start, tell me I am wrong and I will shutup.

Gonnagle.

[Harrowby Hall]

Absolutely right, Gonners. We must seek out what unites us.

One of the problems is that our political system and political elite have abandoned the public.

The political system is close to being broken. One reason for this is that it evolved in the early years of the Victorian era and has not been modernised - it has become a sacred cow, to be worshipped for itself. The political elite are now technocrats grown within party organisations and owing allegiance only to their parties. They have lost touch with ordinary people. Our electoral system - first past the post - ignores the majority of the electorate who live in "safe seats". Election activity is concentrated in marginal seats.

The political elite ignores the public generally because the public generally make little contribution to their sinecures.

We will not find what unites us or will potentially unite us until the public are re-engaged in the political process.

[JP]

You're right Gonners, as is HH.

The politcal elite and ruling classes are merrily off down their own garden path taking their self serving ego's with them. The rest of us are an irrelevence and seem to me to be held in some sort of contempt, but useful tools to put the politicians where they are under the pretence of democracy.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Forum,

One reply so far from my simple email.

When a man stands in court and announces that his name is "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" to me that is a sign of a sick mind, how did one man fall so far that he decided to take a human life so brutally.

To me this also leads on to the fertile ground for recruiting terrorists, when we marginalise certain groups they will look for an outlet, they will drift towards anyone who they think are on their side, if you feel you have let down by society you then become ideal fodder for indoctrination, Jo Cox's husband is right, we need to seek out what unite's us, not divides us.

I know this issue is a lot bigger than just mental health, but I think it is somewhere where we can start, tell me I am wrong and I will shutup.

Gonnagle.

Gonners,

I know you mean well.

I have a 'sick mind'; I'm mentally ill. I pose no danger to anyone, not even myself.

Treating mental health properly will resolve and prevent untold misery for far, far too many people. It will save lives through suicide prevention. But the number of murders it will prevent are very small.

There will be people killed each week by people who don't like their skin colour, their sexuality, their clothes, because they looked at them funny. The people that punch and kick people to death in our pubs, parks and city centres rarely have a mental illness that accounts for killing. Rather they live with an attitude that difference is wrong and to be despised and eradicated.

I am frightened enough about being open about having mental illness. Snd I shouldn't be any more than someone should be frightened about telling people they have arthritis or a stomach ulcer.

The emphasis on mental illness in this terrible case by the right-wing press is a shameful attempt to deflect from their part in stoking anti immigration feeling in this country.  And it is deeply, deeply worrying.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

Thank you for being honest, but I think if it save just one life then it is worth it.

The emphasis on mental illness in this terrible case by the right-wing press is a shameful attempt to deflect from their part in stoking anti immigration feeling in this country.  And it is deeply, deeply worrying.

Strange but I don't see any emphasis, all I see is a press who like me are trying to understand why, and all I know is that a perfectly sane person would not have committed such a horrible brutal crime.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Rhiannon,

Thank you for being honest, but I think if it save just one life then it is worth it.

Strange but I don't see any emphasis, all I see is a press who like me are trying to understand why, and all I know is that a perfectly sane person would not have committed such a horrible brutal crime.

Gonnagle.

Proper mental health provision will save thousands of lives. Just not prevent that many murders.

We need to rethink how we talk about mental illness. It's so vast in what it takes in, it makes no more sense than describing someone as 'physically ill'.

I'm guessing you haven't seen the emphasis on the killer's mental illness in the right-wing press because you avert your eyes whenever you are confronted by a copy of the Daily Mail.

[Gonnagle]

Dear JP and Harrowby,

Yes I watched a video of Jo Cox when she first became an MP, all the stupid rules she needed to learn.  It is old, it does need reforming, watching Prime Ministers question time, it is a joke, shouting down someone who is trying to make a point is like watching a schoolyard argument.

One thing we could do, tell Cameron to stop worrying about what suit or tie an individual is wearing and concentrate on what they are trying to say.

Gonnagle.

[Brownie]

Rhiannon: I have a 'sick mind'; I'm mentally ill. I pose no danger to anyone, not even myself.


I stand shoulder to shoulder with Rhiannon on that statement.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

I don't read the Daily Mail, most of my news comes from auntie Beeb, and I admit the links to newspapers I come across on this forum.

We need to rethink how we talk about mental illness. It's so vast in what it takes in, it makes no more sense than describing someone as 'physically ill'.

Agreed, it is a vast subject, it is not just a problem for our NHS, it is societies problem at all levels, here's a thought for you, all public gyms, swimming baths should be free, transport to them should be easily accessible and affordable, this small step would save the NHS millions, here's another, car owners become second class citizens, you are actively frowned upon if you do not walk or cycle to work, walk ways and cycle routes are our focus, not bloody motorways.

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Proper mental health provision will save thousands of lives. Just not prevent that many murders.

We need to rethink how we talk about mental illness. It's so vast in what it takes in, it makes no more sense than describing someone as 'physically ill'.

I'm guessing you haven't seen the emphasis on the killer's mental illness in the right-wing press because you avert your eyes whenever you are confronted by a copy of the Daily Mail.

I saw that. What was going through the mind of the D.Mail was Why take the rap for filling peoples heads with Right Wing shite when you can blame some hapless psychiatric social worker and slyly make the case for privatisation in the process?