Things that move you

[Harrowby Hall]

I remember hearing John Lill playing Beethoven in the Albert Hall, Nottingham, the day he had been awarded the OBE. The Beethoven concerto which moves me is the Fourth - unlike the others it is intimate and questioning.

Things that move me? My beautiful grandchildren.

But back to music - Charles Trenet singing La Mer. The Beach Boys, too. The final moments of South Pacific.

In Paradisum from Faure's Requiem (I had this played at my wife's funeral)

The Angel's Farewell from Gerontius (Nothing, anywhere, comes as close as the music of Edward Elgar when it comes to describing what it's like to be me.) Yehudi Menuhin playing the Violin Concerto with Elgar conducting.

Other things that move me : the paintings of William Turner. The landscape of the Pays des Serres north of Agen. The Peace Park and Peace Museum in Hiroshima and the temples, shrines and other monuments on Miyajima.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hope,

Had this topic come up a year or so ago, I'd be pretty clear about what moves me, but since my stroke I find myself welling up at some of the most unexpected things.  Generally, they are either good new stories, of which we don't have many, or the tragic ones.  Oddly enough, they no longer have to be as serious as they used to be - so obviously I find things like the breathtaking beauty of New Zealand in the current BBC series very moving, or the events of Nice, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Germany.  However, I am increasingly finding myself doing the same when seemingly minor (in the bigger picture) events - a suicide attempt at Cardiff Central Rail Station last week, local and national situations that cause pain of whatever sort, etc., ... hit the news, or even Facebook!

Well, what clearly moves you - at least away from the threads you visit - is people taking the time to engage only for you to disappear for a bit and then to return later on with the same arguments.

Sorry to mention it and all that but, as you accused someone else of just that behaviour, it seems apt to give you a polite reminder here. I look forward to you being "moved" back to them!

[Hope]

Well, what clearly moves you - at least away from the threads you visit - is people taking the time to engage only for you to disappear for a bit and then to return later on with the same arguments.

Sorry to mention it and all that but, as you accused someone else of just that behaviour, it seems apt to give you a polite reminder here. I look forward to you being "moved" back to them!

Sadly for you, bh, I have another life to live - one that includes work, volunteering and getting super ready for my wife and myself - hence the fact that I will disappear once I've posted this. As for the coming back with the same arguments; that is probably because whenever I pose them, no-one bothers to address them properly, often using the famous 'fallacy' argument to avoid having to deal with them.  When a similar topic is started at a later date, I repost the arguments in the hope that someone might have the guts to address them - only for a different avoidance mechanism used.

Perhaps I'll just drft off into the ether and get on with real life.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hope,

Sadly for you, bh, I have another life to live - one that includes work, volunteering and getting super ready for my wife and myself - hence the fact that I will disappear once I've posted this. As for the coming back with the same arguments; that is probably because whenever I pose them, no-one bothers to address them properly, often using the famous 'fallacy' argument to avoid having to deal with them.  When a similar topic is started at a later date, I repost the arguments in the hope that someone might have the guts to address them - only for a different avoidance mechanism used.

Perhaps I'll just drft off into the ether and get on with real life.

1. If you have no interest in responding to those who do bother to reply to you, why are you here - just to proselytise? This is supposed to be a discussion board - not a "I'll post whatever comes into my head and ignore what anyones says in reply" board.

2. Why then, when reminded of your failure to respond to a rebuttal (or six), would you ask where the rebuttals are, have someone find them for you, and still fail to respond after that?

3. The "famous fallacy argument" isn't used to avoid having to avoid dealing with your "arguments". It's to explain that those arguments are null a priori when for their premises you rely of fallacious reasoning. That's your problem here: you make a logically bad argument, then complain when people don't engage with the conclusion it provides. Why then would I not say the same thing about my miracle cure for Granny's chilblains even though it too relies on the bad reasoning of thinking not walking on the cracks in the pavement for a week did the trick? Why are you not dealing with my chilblains cure argument?

4. If you really want to continue to behave this way, would you at least have the decency of not accusing others of doing it too? Ta.

[Gordon]

As for the coming back with the same arguments; that is probably because whenever I pose them, no-one bothers to address them properly, often using the famous 'fallacy' argument to avoid having to deal with them.  When a similar topic is started at a later date, I repost the arguments in the hope that someone might have the guts to address them - only for a different avoidance mechanism used.

Perhaps I'll just drft off into the ether and get on with real life.

Or perhaps you could try arguments that aren't fallacious in one way or another: it would be a nice change.

[Brownie]

Gordon
Bennett

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

4. If you really want to continue to behave this way, would you at least have the decency of not accusing others of doing it too? Ta.

No chance. He'd rather lie.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Gordon
Bennett

You do seem to stick up for obviously dishonest posters. Why?

[Nearly Sane]

You do seem to stick up for obviously dishonest posters. Why?

Not entirely sure you can base that statement on the post

[Sassy]

Had this topic come up a year or so ago, I'd be pretty clear about what moves me, but since my stroke I find myself welling up at some of the most unexpected things.  Generally, they are either good new stories, of which we don't have many, or the tragic ones.  Oddly enough, they no longer have to be as serious as they used to be - so obviously I find things like the breathtaking beauty of New Zealand in the current BBC series very moving, or the events of Nice, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Germany.  However, I am increasingly finding myself doing the same when seemingly minor (in the bigger picture) events - a suicide attempt at Cardiff Central Rail Station last week, local and national situations that cause pain of whatever sort, etc., ... hit the news, or even Facebook!

((((Hope))))

How are you doing? Are you getting back the use of everything?
Our friend who had a stroke is struggling too. He lost his dad a couple of weeks ago and had to sit in a wheelchair through the service and then got drunk fell down stairs and broke two bones in his neck. Back to hospital and having difficulty emotionally coping he is only 47 the same age his mother died from a stroke. His dad passed away the same day as his mum died.

Please don't be afraid to reach out and ask for help emotionally and don't lose faith in restoration from your stroke. I will pray for help with everything, if that is okay as we pray for our friend. I am sorry I had not remembered and will keep you in prayers.

L xxx

[Hope]

How are you doing? Are you getting back the use of everything?

I'm not too bad really, just have a lingering weakness I my right leg that the doctors are unsure about - not so much the fact of the weakness, but the siting of the symptoms and their intermittent-ness.  I suspect that there may be some psychosomatic elemet involved, because folk who watch me walk have noted that when I walk with others and am chatting with them, the slight limp that I have becomes even slighter!!

[Sassy]

I'm not too bad really, just have a lingering weakness I my right leg that the doctors are unsure about - not so much the fact of the weakness, but the siting of the symptoms and their intermittent-ness.  I suspect that there may be some psychosomatic elemet involved, because folk who watch me walk have noted that when I walk with others and am chatting with them, the slight limp that I have becomes even slighter!!

Are you frightened or worried about not getting the use back?
Is there something worrying you like if they stop keeping an eye on you that you might have another stroke and not be able to do anything in time?

kEEP up the walking and chatting and you will soon be skipping. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

kEEP up the walking and chatting and you will soon be skipping.

You're probably right about that. After all, his ducking and diving seems to be working fine already.

[Brownie]

Well, the thread is about things that move you......
I am going to skip outside to put out the bins for tomorrow's collection.

[Sassy]

Sassy,

You're probably right about that. After all, his ducking and diving seems to be working fine already.

Have you no respect for others. Cheap shots like that are not acceptable.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Have you no respect for others. Cheap shots like that are not acceptable.

To whom?

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but Hope's consistently patronising tone ("I would remind you that") and dishonesty ("I addressed that earlier on only I can't quite remember where just now") on the back of his inability to construct even a simple logically coherent argument while accusing others of his own behaviour of dodging every rebuttal that comes his way makes this an exception in my book. Normal civility will of course be resumed henceforth.

[Sassy]

Sassy,

To whom?

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but Hope's consistently patronising tone ("I would remind you that") and dishonesty ("I addressed that earlier on only I can't quite remember where just now") on the back of his inability to construct even a simple logically coherent argument while accusing others of his own behaviour of dodging every rebuttal that comes his way makes this an exception in my book. Normal civility will of course be resumed henceforth.

Hope, has been ill. When dealing with a stroke it is natural for frustration and anger to pour out. Maybe you should read up on a stroke and give him some room.
Failing that you can try a laxative or a stick of dynamite up the Jacksy, that may move you...

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Hope, has been ill. When dealing with a stroke it is natural for frustration and anger to pour out. Maybe you should read up on a stroke and give him some room.
Failing that you can try a laxative or a stick of dynamite up the Jacksy, that may move you...

Hope's poor behaviour here long pre-dates his illness.

[Brownie]

I caught a bit of a TV programme a couple of weeks or so ago that featured Ranulph Fiennes, the explorer.

The way he talked about his late first wife, Ginny, was unbelievably moving.  Not being able to have children they were everything to each other, and their relationship must have been something quite beautiful to experience.  He lovingly cared for her during her terminal illness and when she died his grief was palpable.  He'd lost his lifelong companion, his best friend and was inconsolably lonely.

To say I was moved by the story would be an understatement.

I felt happier when I knew he had remarried and had a much loved child.  That moved me too as it seemed so absolutely right.  Not everyone is so fortunate as to find love again - and have a child - I'm glad he did.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Not entirely sure you can base that statement on the post

I didn't.

[Nearly Sane]

I didn't.

Except, by the nature of things, that's all you have offered, and I just don't see it.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Except, by the nature of things, that's all you have offered, and I just don't see it.

It was because of an admonishment she gave me months ago. I backed off from labouring the point at the time and then a certain someone stated the same thing recently, and she let it go.

I was probably a bit grumpy, unlike my usual cheerful self. So, I offer my genuine apologies for being a grumpy B&*^&%d.