Were Out!

[jeremyp]

Not when we are trading with the rest of the world. The EU tariffs make their goods more expensive to import.

You do understand that no tariffs at all means the end of the farming industry?

[Bubbles]

You do understand that no tariffs at all means the end of the farming industry?

 

Farmers are always moaning about money, like the weather.

It's been all doom and gloom for as long as I can remember. ( way back before we were in the EU)

Farmers seeing it as the end, not much change there then........


The NFU jumping up and down......

[L.A.]

No, a UK type deal, because they need us.

No one will be doing us any favours. Even Germany have restated that that access to the single market and freedom of movement are inseparable. A 'Norway deal' is probably the best we can hope for - and we will have to pay!

[L.A.]

Farmers are always moaning about money, like the weather.

It's been all doom and gloom for as long as I can remember. ( way back before we were in the EU)

Farmers seeing it as the end, not much change there then........


The NFU jumping up and down......

It's likely to be a bit more serious than the usual issues that farmers moan about. Right now farmers have absolutely no idea of what is going to happen to subsidies or what kind of competition they are going to face from imports - and probably no one else has either. All of which means that anyone who makes any investment in the farming industry is taking a massive gamble.

[Bubbles]

Farmers themselves are divided on Brexit, ignore Jeremy who is transforming in to Keith, you can tell because Keith is now sounding more cheerful ( did they swap membership? )

Some feel it was the EU that was putting them out of business and it was the problem.

It depends on what sort of farming they were doing.

[Bubbles]

It's likely to be a bit more serious than the usual issues that farmers moan about. Right now farmers have absolutely no idea of what is going to happen to subsidies or what kind of competition they are going to face from imports - and probably no one else has either. All of which means that anyone who makes any investment in the farming industry is taking a massive gamble.

They have the NFU which has a loud voice and has usually got them a good deal. They'll moan anyway, because they always moan.

It's up to us to buy British even if it costs a bit more.

They moaned before we joined the EU, they moaned after we joined the EU.

Nothing's changed in that respect. It all used to be the EU s fault.  regulations and stuff.

I'm sure the NFU will get them the same deal and subsidies they get from the EU.

But they will still moan.

My father was in farming and so were much of that side of the family, he detests the EU.

They are mixed.

[L.A.]

Farmers themselves are divided on Brexit, ignore Jeremy who is transforming in to Keith, you can tell because Keith is now sounding more cheerful ( did they swap membership? )

Some feel it was the EU that was putting them out of business and it was the problem.

It depends on what sort of farming they were doing.

I think in farming, the uncertainties are absolutely massive. If we go for a totally free trade option as some have suggested, that would imply zero subsidies which would  transform the agricultural industry beyond recognition. Also we are likely to see an increase in foreign imports in all kinds of products, and as many sectors need large numbers of workers for picking crops, there will be the question of whether migrants will be available.

Until we have some kind certainty, it will be a very worrying time for most farmers.

[Bubbles]

I think the NFU did come down on the side of remain in the end, but back in January they didn't take sides.

I'd say that shows farmers were divided in their views.

http://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/uk-farmings-relationship-with-the-eu-nfu-report/

The NFU will fight to get our farmers the best deal possible under Brexit.

But whatever it is, they will still moan.

 

[Bubbles]

I think in farming, the uncertainties are absolutely massive. If we go for a totally free trade option as some have suggested, that would imply zero subsidies which would  transform the agricultural industry beyond recognition. Also we are likely to see an increase in foreign imports in all kinds of products, and as many sectors need large numbers of workers for picking crops, there will be the question of whether migrants will be available.

Until we have some kind certainty, it will be a very worrying time for most farmers.

I'm sure migrants will be, because it's often seasonal. ( I don't see why our gov can't allow free movement for seasonal workers from Europe if they want to, after all the gov will be making up the rules at some point)

If not the long termed unemployed can earn their dole money.

Same with Duty free, they don't have to tax us on booze etc coming in or change what's in place.

They probably will, but they don't have to.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think in farming, the uncertainties are absolutely massive. If we go for a totally free trade option as some have suggested, that would imply zero subsidies which would  transform the agricultural industry beyond recognition. Also we are likely to see an increase in foreign imports in all kinds of products, and as many sectors need large numbers of workers for picking crops, there will be the question of whether migrants will be available.

Until we have some kind certainty, it will be a very worrying time for most farmers.

Farming may have to be nationalised. With the resultant unemployed from Brexit directed into it.

That will conform to a Depfeffellite 'Merrie England'.

Talking of which.....anyone seen Boris.

[L.A.]

I think the NFU did come down on the side of remain in the end, but back in January they didn't take sides.

I'd say that shows farmers were divided in their views.

http://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/uk-farmings-relationship-with-the-eu-nfu-report/

The NFU will fight to get our farmers the best deal possible under Brexit.

But whatever it is, they will still moan.

 

I'm sure that the agricultural industry as a whole will survive and probably prosper in the long run, but that does not mean that individual farmers have nothing to worry about. If subsidies are ended or even significantly reduced, most small farmers would not be able to survive and we would end up with all our farms being run by large companies. Probably more efficient but is that what we want?

It will certainly not be good news for many farmers.

[Bubbles]

I'm sure that the agricultural industry as a whole will survive and probably prosper in the long run, but that does not mean that individual farmers have nothing to worry about. If subsidies are ended or even significantly reduced, most small farmers would not be able to survive and we would end up with all our farms being run by large companies. Probably more efficient but is that what we want?

It will certainly not be good news for many farmers.

ATM it appears they are looking for the government to give them the same subsidies they were getting with the EU.

Since the last war I think farmers have a strong voice and are considered important to the structure of our country.

It wouldn't surprise me, if they get what they ask for.

But yes smaller farmers are vunerable ATM.

We all are.

But I think farmers have more chance of getting what they ask for,  than other areas of business in the UK.

I'm sure it's really worrying for any small business who has relied on business with the eu.

The difference is farmers have a strong united voice in the NFU.

But yes I'm sure they are worried.

[L.A.]

ATM it appears they are looking for the government to give them the same subsidies they were getting with the EU.

Since the last war I think farmers have a strong voice and are considered important to the structure of our country.

It wouldn't surprise me if they get what they ask for.

But yes smaller farmers are vunerable ATM.

We all are.

But I think farmers have more chance of getting what they ask for,  than other areas of business in the UK.

I'm sure it's really worrying for any small business who has relied on business with the eu.

The difference is farmers have a strong united voice in the NFU.

But yes I'm sure they are worried.

But the problem is, we don't know what government we will have or what course they will pursue with respect to trade and subsidies - which leaves a huge question mark over the future of agriculture.

P.S.

The 'Free Trade' lobby might well want to go for the 'New Zealand' model:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_New_Zealand

which would probably not please the NFU.

[Bubbles]

At least farmers have got the NFU to protect their interests and advise them.

http://www.nfuonline.com/news/eu-referendum/eu-referendum-news/the-referendum-and-future-farming-policy/

A lot of businesses out there don't.

We are in Limbo ATM

[Bubbles]

Farmers weekly did their own poll back in April and found 58% of farmers wanted Brexit .

The NFU recommended staying in.

I suspect, depending on the type of farming some farmers may be hit harder than others.

http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/exclusive-survey-reveals-farmers-back-eu-exit.htm

Sheep farmers may be hit harder than say arable farming.

[jeremyp]

Farmers are always moaning about money, like the weather.

It's been all doom and gloom for as long as I can remember. ( way back before we were in the EU)

Farmers seeing it as the end, not much change there then........


The NFU jumping up and down......

The British farming industry would not be viable without the protections and grants it gets from the EU. It's only just feasible now, that's why formers are always moaning about the money.

[L.A.]

At least farmers have got the NFU to protect their interests and advise them.

http://www.nfuonline.com/news/eu-referendum/eu-referendum-news/the-referendum-and-future-farming-policy/

A lot of businesses out there don't.

We are in Limbo ATM

And that is the problem, no one dare invest in anything until there is some certainty - the economy is stalled until the politicians sort themselves out.

[Bubbles]

And that is the problem, no one dare invest in anything until there is some certainty - the economy is stalled until the politicians sort themselves out.

But does it have to be both parties?


What is going on with labour ATM?

Couldn't they have had their coup later on?

What a fiasco.

All this infighting doesn't add to their appeal, IMO.

[jeremyp]

Farmers themselves are divided on Brexit, ignore Jeremy who is transforming in to Keith

, you can tell because Keith is now sounding more cheerful ( did they swap membership? )

Fuck you too, Julie.

Some feel it was the EU that was putting them out of business and it was the problem.

You don't even have a clue do you. Farmers receive massive subsidies from the EU. Farming in the single market is heavily protected from external imports because the Europe wide farming industry is not competitive. This is a fact and sll your exhortations to be cheerful will not change that fact.

It depends on what sort of farming they were doing.

Farming for crops, dairy and meat.

[Bubbles]

Fuck you too, Julie.

You don't even have a clue do you. Farmers receive massive subsidies from the EU. Farming in the single market is heavily protected from external imports because the Europe wide farming industry is not competitive. This is a fact and sll your exhortations to be cheerful will not change that fact.
Farming for crops, dairy and meat.

Further down I've added links to show my points about farmers being divided.

Farmers weekly shows it best.

Country farmers can sometimes be fairly conservative around issues like immigration and EU regulations.

[L.A.]

But does it have to be both parties?


What is going on with labour ATM?

Couldn't they have had their coup later on?

What a fiasco.

All this infighting doesn't add to their appeal, IMO.

Labour became irrelevant when they had Corbyn dumped on them - their present upheavals are an attempt to get back to sanity.

[jeremyp]

ATM it appears they are looking for the government to give them the same subsidies they were getting with the EU.

And they will get them because the alternative is no farming industry. However, this thread start because Jack Knave was suggesting we need free trade. If Jack Knave gets what he wants, it means no subsidies for farmers which, in turn, means no farmers.

[Bubbles]

Labour became irrelevant when they had Corbyn dumped on them - their present upheavals are an attempt to get back to sanity.

I'm not sure it's going to help them get elected, because the present fiasco looks anything but sane.

[Bubbles]

And they will get them because the alternative is no farming industry. However, this thread start because Jack Knave was suggesting we need free trade. If Jack Knave gets what he wants, it means no subsidies for farmers which, in turn, means no farmers.

Not according to this

https://www.fginsight.com/news/eustice-interview---farming-minister-seeks-to-reassure-industry-over-brexit-13173

I think it sounds like many farmers were brassed off with EU regulations and decided to take the risk.

I hope they can secure a good deal because I think our farming industry is a very important part of the structure of our country especially if we are being independent.

If the gov is making the rules it can bend them to accommodate the farmers.

Migrant workers could be offered seasonal passes to come and work just like they come and work now.

A relative has a business growing crops under glass for supermarkets ( strawberries, tomatoes, lettuce etc) and employs seasonal workers from Eastern Europe, that could continue if the gov allowed it to by issuing season passes.

The thing is we need to fit our laws, to fit what we need now.

If farmers need migrant workers and they want to come, a way must be found to accommodate this.

We need to be flexible, or find another way of getting the same result.


The problem is the number of areas that need looking at 

[L.A.]

I'm not sure it's going to help them get elected, because the present fiasco looks anything but sane.

I think Labour are very much a side-show at the moment, they may or may not sort themselves out in time for a GE - but, like  it or not, it's going to be the Tories who decide the EU issues.