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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2016, 10:49:16 AM »
Dear Nigel,

Just fuck the right off will you.

Yours etc,

Blue
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Meanwhile the Bank of England is prepared to spend £250billion propping up the banks.

http://gu.com/p/4mk5a

One way of looking at that is that could have paid for the UK's membership of the EU for the next 30years.
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2016, 10:56:49 AM »
There is now talk of a deep recession! :(

Oh don't, I'm depressed enough already on this otherwise nice day, wondering whether I should go back to bed.

I echo the sentiments of the opening post.  Mr Farage, MEP, will now be out of a job though so that's a good thing (though he'll find something else to do).
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2016, 11:48:17 AM »
Jak,

I'm clutching at straws here, but here's a scenario: alarmed by the rise of nationalism across Europe and the risk of a domino effect, the EU proposes major reforms and concessions as a last gasp effort to bring us back; Cameron takes it to the country; the electorate having seen markets tanking etc and the cluelessness of Johnson, Grayling et al re what happens next this time vote next time to remain.

It's an awful thin straw though...   

It would be nice, but I think we are toast!

We should not let idiots vote, there should be an exam you have to pass for some votes.
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2016, 12:54:12 PM »
Hi BR,

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It would be nice, but I think we are toast!

We should not let idiots vote, there should be an exam you have to pass for some votes.

It makes you wonder sometimes doesn't it. A few politicians telling voters to blame immigrants for their lot in life, supported by a right wing press that somehow fails to mention not only that those very immigrants are often the doctors, accountants, entrepreneurs etc on whom we all rely (and that fails too to explain that, if you have a GCSE in woodwork then that Ukrainian doctor probably isn't taking "your" job at all in any case) and moreover that fails to tell you that immigrants put about £20 billion a year into the economy, so the reason you can't get a doctor's appointment or a school place is not that they're here but rather that that this scumbag government doesn't use the taxes they pay to build the hospitals and schools they pay for and we need, and Robert's yer aunty's husband.

Utterly gutting.       
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2016, 04:38:10 PM »
I get the impression that a lot of people voted to leave the EU because were gullible enough to fall for the racist anti-immigration spiel. We need the help of incomers to keep our country afloat, especially in the NHS, as we don't have enough home grown doctors and nurses to go around.

Now we are leaving the EU do people really think that France is going to be too bothered about trying to prevent migrants trying to make it to the UK? The less they have in the hell-hole Calais has turned into, the better!

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2016, 05:12:10 PM »
I get the impression that a lot of people voted to leave the EU because were gullible enough to fall for the racist anti-immigration spiel. We need the help of incomers to keep our country afloat, especially in the NHS, as we don't have enough home grown doctors and nurses to go around.

Now we are leaving the EU do people really think that France is going to be too bothered about trying to prevent migrants trying to make it to the UK? The less they have in the hell-hole Calais has turned into, the better!

Also this 350 million pounds a week they have to spend.

Let's see what happens to that.

I see Farage is backtracking on this already!
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2016, 06:46:21 PM »
No, very happy with result but leave should be magnanimous in victory I feel. With regard to the debate here we had LA and Davey really advocating for remain who were Cameron like with their heavy negative spin.

I think a more positive balanced argument could have been put forward.

I'm still predicting we won't leave, at some point today you will see a senior Tory say something like "if we leave" and then backtrack. Then tomorrow the same phrase will pop up then they will backtrack, and it will keep popping up until that is actually on the table.

Cameron said Article 50 would invoked quickly following a Brexit vote, he's already flipped on that one, it will now be October at the earliest.

I want to stay in a reformed EU, if they don't offer reforms now then we should leave.

If we don't leave, then we can no longer say we are living in a democracy, plus the rest of the EU might decide they don't want us.  You can't offer the country a democratic choice then disregard it.

Us crashing and burning is more likely to put off demands for a vote in their own countries, re the E U.  For us to collapse might be seen as a lesson in itself.

Scotland leaving and becoming independant is a further nail in the coffin.


What twerp put a clause in to say Scotland could have another vote for independance should the vote be to leave?

In my eyes they are fools and traitors! ( whichever numbskull agreed to that one)

I'm not impressed with politicians.

We would be better off employing Clyde the orangutan to run the flipping country.

What a mess!




« Last Edit: June 24, 2016, 06:51:01 PM by Rose »

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2016, 06:51:45 PM »
Scotland leaving and becoming independant it a further nail in the coffin.


What twerp put a clause in to say Scotland could have another vote for independance should the vote be to leave?

In my eyes they are fools and traitors! ( whichever numbskull agreed to that one)

I think some of us here in Scotland think otherwise!

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2016, 07:06:15 PM »
I think some of us here in Scotland think otherwise!

Yes I know.

But it's our stupid politicians I'm annoyed at!

 >:(

As JR Rowling wrote on Twitter

"Scotland will seek independence now. Cameron's legacy will be breaking up two unions. Neither needed to happen. "

 ::)
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2016, 07:20:18 PM »
Yes I know.

But it's our stupid politicians I'm annoyed at!

 >:(


Why isn't it the voters fault?

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2016, 07:44:16 PM »


Why isn't it the voters fault?

Because voters just did what they were asked to do, vote.

Politicians run the country and shouldn't be putting the choices in the hands of the public when said public know bugger all about it, and vote with their gut reaction.

It seems to me, there were an awful lot of people who admitted they didn't really know who was telling the truth about being in or out the e u or not.

I expect the people in charge to take decisions in our interest when large numbers of people don't really know what is in our best interests.

Most of us don't have the time or patience to get into the detail of various policies.

That's what experts are supposed to do........( in this case government)

Most of the young people I know voted to remain, a few are unhappy their futures are going to be affected by the prejudices of their elders.

The government should have recognised the impact the views of older people were going to have on the younger generation, who have been brought up with a more modern idea of Europe.

Instead of delegating the responsibility, they should have listened to young people more and protected their futures.

They didn't.

Now you have generation of young people who feel the old fuddidudees have allowed their own prejudices and " we want to return to the good old days" blight their forward looking futures.

Many young people have a different outlook, because they are not constantly comparing it to the " good old days"

I was told by one such young person this morning that people over 50 shouldn't have been allowed to vote.

I didn't agree with him, but I saw where he was coming from.

So much of the leave campaign was about Johnnie foreigner and the polish supermarket.

The young generation often like Johnnie foreigner and the polish supermarket.

Older people seem to moan about different things to the young who are more outgoing and not so shocked about foreign languages spoken in their local supermarket.

Sorry about the rant, just feeling brassed off.

Listened to this all day today  :-[

I don't blame the Scots for wanting to be independant, I'm starting to feel like joining London in declaring independance  ;)

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/wouldnt-you-prefer-to-be-president-sadiq-thousands-back-campaign-for-sadiq-khan-to-declare-londons-a3280141.html


 :)

First though, I'd chuck out the flippin politicians. 
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2016, 08:10:26 PM »
Voters shouldn't have choices, mmm

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2016, 08:19:45 PM »
Dear Blue,

Not often I agree with Jakswan.

This is a fact ;)

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2016, 08:23:23 PM »
What twerp put a clause in to say Scotland could have another vote for independance should the vote be to leave?

Surely self-determination is a foundation of any democracy.

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In my eyes they are fools and traitors! ( whichever numbskull agreed to that one)

Don't be daft if someone feels Scottish rather than British then that is up to them.

The Scottish parliament will be more accountable when it can't use Westminster as an excuse, e.g. the Krankie is still banging on about austerity when she can increase taxes to get rid of austerity. 
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2016, 08:25:15 PM »
Surely self-determination is a foundation of any democracy.

Don't be daft if someone feels Scottish rather than British then that is up to them.

The Scottish parliament will be more accountable when it can't use Westminster as an excuse, e.g. the Krankie is still banging on about austerity when she can increase taxes to get rid of austerity.
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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2016, 08:39:10 PM »
Surely self-determination is a foundation of any democracy.

Don't be daft if someone feels Scottish rather than British then that is up to them.

The Scottish parliament will be more accountable when it can't use Westminster as an excuse, e.g. the Krankie is still banging on about austerity when she can increase taxes to get rid of austerity.

Not really.

Most countries are formed by war and force, not democracy.

No one is offering Cornwall self determination no matter how much they want to be recognised as a country and not a county.

Same if they feel Cornish rather than English? ( or British)

Countries are not formed by democracy, they are formed by wars and invasion.

The queen wasn't elected by democracy either, she got there by the same process.

If you offer democracy ( in the form of independance) to Scotland, Wales and Ireland  what about Cornwall?

Are they not entitled to democracy as well? Then you have counties, originally under the rule of smaller kingships and rulers.

Who is to say Essex or Somerset shouldn't also have the right to self determination?

The whole of civilisation on our little island was created by which thug in which area thumped the hardest and who went creeping up to who, and got made a lord or a squire.

Scotland fought once to retain its own band of rulers and they lost out, just like all the other areas of Britain.

The problem with self determination is that it all breaks up, back into its little bits.

It was force that joined it together, like the old USSR.

We are a very small country and we stand in danger of splitting into many little bits if we really did the self determination and democracy bit.

Sometimes we are more stable together.


Cornwall has its own flag / language and sees itself as a country.

How small do you want to go?

The Shetland Islands wanted independance from Scotland, which was roundly ignored. ( by the Scottish I hasten to add)

If you really wanted self determination and democracy, Scotland too gets smaller. Not even all of Scotland wants to be part of a United Scotland.

 ;)

Sometimes a stable peace is one imposed by force.

Not posh and democratic or self determining, but politically incorrect nowadays.

However it works, pretty much.

Civilisation forming was more about force than democracy.

Democracy is a luxury until it breaks us up to much.

You need a balance.

The difficulty comes when you tell Cornwall or Shetland they can't have the same right of determination because you don't recognise them.




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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2016, 08:45:43 PM »
And your answer is , Rose?

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2016, 08:58:05 PM »
And your answer is , Rose?

To stick together, while enjoying and respecting our different cultures/traditions.

By recognising how small we all are without each other,  on the world stage.

 :)

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2016, 08:58:56 PM »
And does Essex have its own legal system, Rose? If not please explain why your comparison is valid?

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2016, 09:01:39 PM »
To stick together, while enjoying and respecting our different cultures/traditions.

By recognising how small we all are without each other,  on the world stage.

 :)

So no countries should exist? Or just the ones think should exist?

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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2016, 09:17:56 PM »
And does Essex have its own legal system, Rose? If not please explain why your comparison is valid?

Do you think a countries claim to be a seperate country relies on it having its own legal system?

So say Cornwall and Shetland don't, so can't qualify?

The only reason I can see that Scotland had its own laws was because it held sufficient clout in history to hold onto it.

Poor old Cornwall and Essex didn't because their original chieftains lacked the clout were smaller, and either fell in line or got replaced.

Essex had no hope, it was too close to London for a start, they would have formed part of the ruling groups very early on.

I'm a bit cynical, the only reason I think Scotland has different rules is because they fought for them and were big enough to get away with it.

Scotland fought for its right to be recognised, and not swamped by everyone else.

Smaller groups couldn't.



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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2016, 09:33:23 PM »
Do you think a countries claim to be a seperate country relies on it having its own legal system?

So say Cornwall and Shetland don't, so can't qualify?

The only reason I can see that Scotland had its own laws was because it held sufficient clout in history to hold onto it.

Poor old Cornwall and Essex didn't because their original chieftains lacked the clout were smaller, and either fell in line or got replaced.

Essex had no hope, it was too close to London for a start, they would have formed part of the ruling groups very early on.

I'm a bit cynical, the only reason I think Scotland has different rules is because they fought for them and were big enough to get away with it.

Scotland fought for its right to be recognised, and not swamped by everyone else.

Smaller groups couldn't.

So did Essex have its own legal  system? What is your reasoning for difference?

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« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2016, 09:35:41 PM »
So no countries should exist? Or just the ones think should exist?

It's a difficult one Nearly Sane.

Lots of people across the world fight to retain their identity. Ukraine for example.

France, Spain they all have their little separatist bits.

I once went to Spain and got told off for trying to speak Spanish, because the waiter didn't see himself as Spanish but Catalonian  ::)

I think we all recognise some, but not others.  Recognise Scotland but not Shetland. Recognise Spain but not see Catalonia as separate from Spain.

Or the Kurds fighting for their own bit, or Sikhs for theirs.

Then there is Israel and Palestine and who is what.

In the USA there are all the states, not all happily united in all cases.

Depends who you listen too.

They have their own laws too, state to state.

The world wants to split into little bits and sometimes it just leads to instability and unhappiness.

I just want to live in a stable country that doesn't split into little separatist bits.




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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2016, 09:37:54 PM »
It's a difficult one Nearly Sane.

Lots of people across the world fight to retain their identity. Ukraine for example.

France, Spain they all have their little separatist bits.

I once went to Spain and got told off for trying to speak Spanish, because the waiter didn't see himself as Spanish but Catalonian  ::)

I think we all recognise some, but not others.  Recognise Scotland but not Shetland. Recognise Spain but not see Catalonia as separate from Spain.

Or the Kurds fighting for their own bit, or Sikhs for theirs.

Then there is Israel and Palestine and who is what.

In the USA there are all the states, not all happily united in all cases.

Depends who you listen too.

They have their own laws too, state to state.

The world wants to split into little bits and sometimes it just leads to instability and unhappiness.

I just want to live in a stable country that doesn't split into little separatist bits.
so, sorry, what is your idea here? It is right if you think it is right?

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Re: An open letter to Nigel Farage
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2016, 09:38:55 PM »
So did Essex have its own legal  system? What is your reasoning for difference?

Once, it would have done.

Like many places in the uk

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