An open letter to Nigel Farage

[bluehillside Retd.]

Dear Nigel,

Just fuck the right off will you.

Yours etc,

Blue

[floo]

Whilst I wouldn't use the 'f' word, I share those sentiments. Farage is a ghastly racist, who might be laughing over the other side of his ugly mug if it all goes pear shaped and his sycophants turn on him.

[Aruntraveller]

Concise and to the point.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

I would like to second that emotion, and add, get it right up you Mr Farage.

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hi Trent,

Concise and to the point.

It's how I feel. I see failure everywhere here: an EU that failed to engage and to clean up its act; a prime minister who took a punt for short term political expediency because he was afraid that UKIP would take tory votes at the last election; an ex London mayor buffoon angling for the top job, fuelled by an ancient posh boy enmity from his Bullingdon club days; a Labour leader disengaged and hidebound by his Dave Spartism; an electorate too stupid and gulled by the right wing press to realise that it was a turkey voting for Christmas. It's a perfect storm.

You know the saddest stat for me? It's not the collapsing pound or the crashing stock market, it's that 82% of 18-25 year-olds - the very people this catastrophe will hurt the most - voted remain. It's a fucking tragedy.   

[jakswan]

Hi Trent,

It's how I feel. I see failure everywhere here: an EU that failed to engage and to clean up its act; a prime minister who took a punt for short term political expediency because he was afraid that UKIP would take tory votes at the last election; an ex London mayor buffoon angling for the top job, fuelled by an ancient posh boy enmity from his Bullingdon club days; a Labour leader disengaged and hidebound by his Dave Spartism; an electorate too stupid and gulled by the right wing press to realise that it was a turkey voting for Christmas. It's a perfect storm.

You know the saddest stat for me? It's not the collapsing pound or the crashing stock market, it's that 82% of 18-25 year-olds - the very people this catastrophe will hurt the most - voted remain. It's a fucking tragedy.

Such passion, yet i don't recall you contributing anything to the debate?

[bluehillside Retd.]

jakswan,

Such passion, yet i don't recall you contributing anything to the debate?

How would you know what I did or didn't contribute to the debate?   

[Aruntraveller]

Hi Trent,

It's how I feel. I see failure everywhere here: an EU that failed to engage and to clean up its act; a prime minister who took a punt for short term political expediency because he was afraid that UKIP would take tory votes at the last election; an ex London mayor buffoon angling for the top job, fuelled by an ancient posh boy enmity from his Bullingdon club days; a Labour leader disengaged and hidebound by his Dave Spartism; an electorate too stupid and gulled by the right wing press to realise that it was a turkey voting for Christmas. It's a perfect storm.

You know the saddest stat for me? It's not the collapsing pound or the crashing stock market, it's that 82% of 18-25 year-olds - the very people this catastrophe will hurt the most - voted remain. It's a fucking tragedy.

No argument from me. In fact when the result became inevitable - I went to bed muttering about a large bird of the genus meliagris and a festival celebrated at a completely arbitrary time of the year.

[jakswan]

jakswan,

How would you know what I did or didn't contribute to the debate?

There is a 96 page thread on this forum. I was referring to this forum.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Jak,

There is a 96 page thread on this forum. I was referring to this forum.

Oh right - I didn't notice it, but I did in a modest way contribute in the real world.

[jakswan]

Jak,

Oh right - I didn't notice it, but I did in a modest way contribute in the real world.

You are much respected voice in this community!

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

I think old Jakswan is a bit stunned, the British people have voted to leave!! I think Jakswan is now thinking, I voted leave but I didn't real mean for us to leave, cut him a little slack as he tries to digest the consequences.

Just to add, your OP is spot on


Gonnagle.

[floo]

There is now talk of a deep recession!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Jak,

You are much respected voice in this community!

Yeah right!

Putin, Trump, Johnson - it's all so depressing. Much as I hated the savage attacks on the most vulnerable presided over by Cameron, who will replace him who isn't an even worse swivel-eyed ideologue? Johnson? Grayling? Gove? God help us all.   

[bluehillside Retd.]

Floo,

There is now talk of a deep recession!

Reminds me of the old Russian joke: what stage comes between socialism and communism?

Alcoholism!

I need a drink...

[jakswan]

Dear Blue,

I think old Jakswan is a bit stunned, the British people have voted to leave!! I think Jakswan is now thinking, I voted leave but I didn't real mean for us to leave, cut him a little slack as he tries to digest the consequences.

Just to add, your OP is spot on

No, very happy with result but leave should be magnanimous in victory I feel. With regard to the debate here we had LA and Davey really advocating for remain who were Cameron like with their heavy negative spin.

I think a more positive balanced argument could have been put forward.

I'm still predicting we won't leave, at some point today you will see a senior Tory say something like "if we leave" and then backtrack. Then tomorrow the same phrase will pop up then they will backtrack, and it will keep popping up until that is actually on the table.

Cameron said Article 50 would invoked quickly following a Brexit vote, he's already flipped on that one, it will now be October at the earliest.

I want to stay in a reformed EU, if they don't offer reforms now then we should leave.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

Not often I agree with Jakswan.

You are much respected voice in this community!

This is a fact

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

Jak,

Yeah right!

Putin, Trump, Johnson - it's all so depressing. Much as I hated the savage attacks on the most vulnerable presided over by Cameron, who will replace him who isn't an even worse swivel-eyed ideologue? Johnson? Grayling? Gove? God help us all.   

Whilst I'm not a Tory, I still think the country will regret getting rid of LibDem, the Tories won the election. If you are of the left then you need to come up with better politicians and arguments, waving your arms in the air won't change a thing.

I did not agree with LibDems on this issue but I'm going to try to help getting a centre liberal based voice heard again in British politics.

You don't list Corbyn, he's simply inept, and much of the reason the Torys are such a mess is because Labour doesn't scare them at all.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Bloody hell, what you are asking for is riots on the streets, we are out, that's it.

I want to stay in a reformed EU, if they don't offer reforms now then we should leave.

Then your leave vote was wrong, we are out, that's it, see you later Europe.

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Jak,

No, very happy with result but leave should be magnanimous in victory I feel. With regard to the debate here we had LA and Davey really advocating for remain who were Cameron like with their heavy negative spin.

I think a more positive balanced argument could have been put forward.

I'm still predicting we won't leave, at some point today you will see a senior Tory say something like "if we leave" and then backtrack. Then tomorrow the same phrase will pop up then they will backtrack, and it will keep popping up until that is actually on the table.

Cameron said Article 50 would invoked quickly following a Brexit vote, he's already flipped on that one, it will now be October at the earliest.

I want to stay in a reformed EU, if they don't offer reforms now then we should leave.

I've heard something like this before - maybe the EU will now offer such concessions that we won't have to go ahead with leaving etc. I just can't see it though. Having held a referendum and had the result, how one earth would Cameron (or whoever) then say, "thanks a lot folks, but we're going to ignore that and remain instead"?

[jakswan]

I've heard something like this before - maybe the EU will now offer such concessions that we won't have to go ahead with leaving etc. I just can't see it though. Having held a referendum and had the result, how one earth would Cameron (or whoever) then say, "thanks a lot folks, but we're going to ignore that and remain instead"?

The EU have some form on this, it will require another referendum.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Gonners,

This is a fact

Aw stop it now. Besides, I can think of at least one poster who doesn't agree! Thanks for the kind comments too by the way.

[jakswan]

Then your leave vote was wrong, we are out, that's it, see you later Europe.

Listen, I want to stay in a reformed EU, when Cameron threatened a referendum it didn't reform, we are now threatening to leave, if it doesn't reform then I think we should leave.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Jak,

You don't list Corbyn, he's simply inept, and much of the reason the Torys are such a mess is because Labour doesn't scare them at all.

See Reply 4. Quite so. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Jak,

The EU have some form on this, it will require another referendum.

I'm clutching at straws here, but here's a scenario: alarmed by the rise of nationalism across Europe and the risk of a domino effect, the EU proposes major reforms and concessions as a last gasp effort to bring us back; Cameron takes it to the country; the electorate having seen markets tanking etc and the cluelessness of Johnson, Grayling et al re what happens next this time vote next time to remain.

It's an awful thin straw though...