An open letter to Nigel Farage

[Gonnagle]

Dear Floo,

Sweeney Todd, he was a barber

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

JK,

Farage is a grotesque and a buffoon.

He's not, and these are mere words and explain nothing of your standpoint on the matter.

My point though was that it required a perfect storm of incompetence and mendacity from others for his views to prevail rather than - as before - for him just to be laughed at.

Who are these others? The Tory lot? They have been there for years.

The fact is the EU is another version of the USSR with its plan to concentrate power in Brussels which will attract the likes of Stalinesque psychos.

[jeremyp]

He's not, and these are mere words and explain nothing of your standpoint on the matter.
Who are these others? The Tory lot? They have been there for years.

The fact is the EU is another version of the USSR with its plan to concentrate power in Brussels which will attract the likes of Stalinesque psychos.

You can stop lying now. You won. Instead I'd start thinking about what you are going to say to all the people who will lose their jobs now.

[bluehillside Retd.]

JK,

I don't think Boris ever wanted to win. It was just a gesture for his leadership ambitions.

Dear Boris,

Look, you fucked up this time and have been found out. Really, really fucked up and all in the pursuit of your personal political ambitions. You know it, we know it. You never thought you'd win I'm sure, but presumably you calculated that you'd rally enough support in a losing Brexit campaign to justify a leadership bid later on. That's why you didn't bother thinking it through and have no plan of any kind for the huge obstacles that withdrawal would entail. Between us, I suspect too that we both know that what you've brought about is the worst of all worlds - markets tanking, sterling at a 30 year low against the dollar, financial companies already planning to relocate from the UK, racist abuse reported in London and Cambridgeshire, the global power players rubbing their hands at the opportunities a fractured Europe has presented them, the break up of the Union - you name it, it's a catastrophe isn't it. "Project fear" turned out to be project reality and then some, just as you were told it would be.

So what can you do about it? Here's what - you forget your ambitions, give "call me" Dave a ring and tell him you'd be very keen on him proposing to the other EU leaders this week "Art 50 lite" and that you - Boris - as prime minister would take the resulting package to the country for a yes/no vote when they have a clear, not lies-based choice to be had.

If the vote then is to leave, your position would be legitimised; if it's a "no" then you'd say that the people have spoken and you might just get away with it. 

You're welcome,

Blue

[Nearly Sane]

Sweeny Todd?

Gonzo was quicker, with better spelling.

[Jack Knave]

You can stop lying now. You won. Instead I'd start thinking about what you are going to say to all the people who will lose their jobs now.

MEeee?

What have done? I never triggered this referendum!!!

[bluehillside Retd.]

JK,

He's not, and these are mere words and explain nothing of your standpoint on the matter.

He is, and I could tell you why. That though isn't what this discussion is about.

Who are these others? The Tory lot? They have been there for years.

The people I listed in an earlier post - the EU's remoteness, arrogance and lack of democratic accountability; PR man Cameron's short term expediency; Corbyn's uselessness; years of anti-European rhetoric underpinned by a right wing press owned by non-dom billionaires and, depressingly, so on. 

The fact is the EU is another version of the USSR with its plan to concentrate power in Brussels which will attract the likes of Stalinesque psychos.

It's no such thing. Why pretend otherwise?

So, what's your solution for the catastrophic consequences of Brexit we're already seeing visited upon us?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

Can I humbly ask to have my name attached to your wonderful letter.

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Just a thought: Liverpool voted remain, bucking the trend of most northern cities (Leeds, which has a large financial services sector, excepted). Almost no-one n L'pool has bought The Sun this last 30 years.

Do newspapers materially influence the outcomes of elections and referenda? When the margin of victory is so tight, possibly so.   

[Jack Knave]

JK,

Dear Boris,

Look, you fucked up this time and have been found out. Really, really fucked up and all in the pursuit of your personal political ambitions. You know it, we know it. You never thought you'd win I'm sure, but presumably you calculated that you'd rally enough support in a losing Brexit campaign to justify a leadership bid later on. That's why you didn't bother thinking it through and have no plan of any kind for the huge obstacles that withdrawal would entail. Between us, I suspect too that we both know that what you've brought about is the worst of all worlds - markets tanking, sterling at a 30 year low against the dollar, financial companies already planning to relocate from the UK, racist abuse reported in London and Cambridgeshire, the global power players rubbing their hands at the opportunities a fractured Europe has presented them, the break up of the Union - you name it, it's a catastrophe isn't it. "Project fear" turned out to be project reality and then some, just as you were told it would be.

So what can you do about it? Here's what - you forget your ambitions, give "call me" Dave a ring and tell him you'd be very keen on him proposing to the other EU leaders this week "Art 50 lite" and that you - Boris - as prime minister would take the resulting package to the country for a yes/no vote when they have a clear, not lies-based choice to be had.

If the vote then is to leave, your position would be legitimised; if it's a "no" then you'd say that the people have spoken and you might just get away with it. 

You're welcome,

Blue

You sound very emotional, Blue.

One of the problems here is that people are allowing their emotions and short-termism to get the better of them - hence all the crap that is going on at the moment. People need to look at the long term picture. If one panics and talks of doom then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What is needed is a steady, calm tiller.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jackie boy,

No not your fault old son, Cameron & Co, the fault lies fairly and squarely at their feet, they are the true enemy of Great Britain or what some call The United Kingdom, which sadly is no longer United.

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

Gonzo was quicker, with better spelling.

That's why I remove mine.

[bluehillside Retd.]

JK,

You sound very emotional, Blue.

One of the problems here is that people are allowing their emotions and short-termism to get the better of them - hence all the crap that is going on at the moment. People need to look at the long term picture. If one panics and talks of doom then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What is needed is a steady, calm tiller.

Where do you think I'm factually wrong?

As for a calm hand on the tiller - that's exactly what I offered him, including advice on which way to steer.

[Jack Knave]

JK,

He is, and I could tell you why. That though isn't what this discussion is about.

But the fact you have parked it here makes it part of the thread.

The people I listed in an earlier post - the EU's remoteness, arrogance and lack of democratic accountability; PR man Cameron's short term expediency; Corbyn's uselessness; years of anti-European rhetoric underpinned by a right wing press owned by non-dom billionaires and, depressingly, so on. 

It's not as though the EU wasn't told again and again and again. But they did nothing. This is what dictators, totalitarian states do, they don't listen and just carry on with their ideological plans. Then some form of revolution takes place - yes it's messy etc. but that's life.

As for Cameron, and the rest, he and they are products of an elite who do not listen and have too much power.

It's no such thing. Why pretend otherwise?

So, what's your solution for the catastrophic consequences of Brexit we're already seeing visited upon us?

Yes it is. Its Ever-Closer-Union, federal state is just that. Power corrupts and when all the power is in Brussels it will corrupt absolutely, as it did in Moscow during the Soviet Union.

My solution is a total withdrawal from the EU political system. Trade only. There are enough dissenting voices in the EU of the EU, and that it is falling apart in many ways, that something really needs to be done about the whole thing.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Gonners,

Can I humbly ask to have my name attached to your wonderful letter.

As ever my friend, you're far too kind.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jackie boy,

Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns who do you suggest should be at the helm of this ship, the person who has his hand on the tiller, Boris he may have went to one of our top universities but he is not intelligent enough to steer the ship, Nigel to volatile for me, it does need a calm hand to steer this ship.

Tell me Jack old son, who do you think should be Captain of this sinking ship, it is sinking, it has not sunk, yet, and a final question for you, this 250 million that we suddenly have in reserve, where did that come from, we suddenly have all this money in reserve but every Tory was shouting about austerity

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

JK,

Where do you think I'm factually wrong?

As for a calm hand on the tiller - that's exactly what I offered him, including advice on which way to steer.

You are wrong because you are running scared, crouching in the corner, rocking backwards and forwards, chanting "Turn back, turn back!!!"

Have you read the Narnia books. You're the dwarves in the hut, at the end, perceiving the place as dark with only straw around them.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Jackie boy,

Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns who do you suggest should be at the helm of this ship, the person who has his hand on the tiller, Boris he may have went to one of our top universities but he is not intelligent enough to steer the ship, Nigel to volatile for me, it does need a calm hand to steer this ship.

Tell me Jack old son, who do you think should be Captain of this sinking ship, it is sinking, it has not sunk, yet, and a final question for you, this 250 million that we suddenly have in reserve, where did that come from, we suddenly have all this money in reserve but every Tory was shouting about austerity

Gonnagle.

Nigel's the man, with UKIP. He has worked in the EU for decades, he knows how those bastards think and work.

I mentioned the 250 billion else where some days ago. It is a total sham; the central banks working with the banksters to extend and pretend that this Neo-Libreal project is still a going concern when in fact it is floating in the waters like a dead fish.

[bluehillside Retd.]

JK,

You are wrong because you are running scared, crouching in the corner, rocking backwards and forwards, chanting "Turn back, turn back!!!"

Have you read the Narnia books. You're the dwarves in the hut, at the end, perceiving the place as dark with only straw around them.

Leaving aside the irony of that - surely it's the Brexiters who are dong just that with regard to Europe isn't it? - what I'm actually saying is more like, 'this decision is so important that it should be made on the basis of facts rather than lies, and on the basis of people knowing what they're being asked to vote for rather than just against".

My question for you by the way concerned where you thought I was factually incorrect.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jack,

Nigel's the man, with UKIP. He has worked in the EU for decades, he knows how those bastards think and work.

I mentioned the 250 billion else where some days ago. It is a total sham; the central banks working with the banksters to extend and pretend that this Neo-Libreal project is still a going concern when in fact it is floating in the waters like a dead fish.

Nigel has he put forward a plan, if so can you point me to it, and I am not a conspiracy theory kind of guy but your explanation of the 250 million could well be right, suddenly we have this spare cash

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Just thinking out loud here, but just imagine you were a keen rugby (or any other sport) player and I said, "those rules of rugby. They're rubbish aren't they. Why don't we have a vote on whether to get rid of them?"

And then we had the vote, and the majority of players voted to get rid of the rules.

Then what? Surely at some point someone would have to say something like, "Oh, by the way - here's the best set of set of rules we can agree with the RFU, and that we propose therefore for a replacement. How do you feel about them - accept, or would you prefer to return the previous ones?"

[bluehillside Retd.]

Still musing - cracking idea for a cartoon...

You know that part of the Roadrunner cartoons when Wylie E Coyote runs headlong off the cliff, suddenly realises there's nothing beneath him, and looks quizzically at the "camera" before plummeting to earth far below?

I wonder if a cartoonist couldn't recreate that with Boris as Wylie, and "EU" written on the cliff?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Blue,

You should follow old Sanes links more closely, the road runner has already been used, which reminds me, Sane old chum, the majority of the time you post a youtube link, all I get is a collection of my favourites

Gonnagle.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Gonners,

You should follow old Sanes links more closely, the road runner has already been used...

Has it? Sorry, I missed it - and there's me thinking I was being all original too.

Ah well.

[Gordon]

Nigel's the man, with UKIP. He has worked in the EU for decades, he knows how those bastards think and work.

Then explain why this clown has a mandate to represent the views of Scotland in any discussions?

Just in case you missed it, in the recent Holyrood elections his party didn't contest any constituency seats and got just 2% of the regional votes gaining a massive zero seats, and then of course his pitch on the EU was comprehensively rejected by voters here.

Nigel is not 'the man'.