Scottish Independance

[Bubbles]

A question. ( well lots  )

This is a hot topic things being as they are ATM.

Do you think that Scotland becoming independent over this issue is healthy for any of us in the uk including Scotland?

There are so many things to think about, should Scotland ever become independant.

Things like what currency they would use.

There are no guarantees they would get into the EU ( although I can't see them being turned down, (although some might be tempted to let them join for the wrong reasons)).

Would this not be better done when the uncertainty of the EU exit has stabilised and things are not as fraught?

Could a vote for Scottish Independence, be as bad a knee jerk reaction, in the same way as the one to leave the EU is,  in the first place? Could the Scots make the same mistake the rest of the U.K. has in voting to leave.  ( as in the issue influencing the independance vote being more about us leaving the EU)

Could we not stand together until we have sorted out this crisis and are all more able to make changes?

It's also going to be destabilising with Wales and Northern Ireland.

How do others feel?

I obviously don't want Scotland to leave the union, but if they wanted to, is now a good time?

Not all investors in Scotland think Brexit is a bad thing 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36617669

Is it a good idea to look before you leap?

The rest of the U.K. leaped wildly into the unknown......

Is Scotland going to do the same thing with Independance because of leave?

Would it be better to wait, not make the same mistake of voting on a gut reaction?

Your thoughts?

 

[floo]

If Scotland do opt for independence, and remaining in the EU, I suspect a lot of the Welsh and English might be heading north of the border!

[ad_orientem]

I don"t understand the Scots. I think they should be independent but why on earth would they want to relinquish power to Brussels rather than London? It stinks of English hate. Rather Fritz or Pierre but definitely not John.

[ad_orientem]

If Scotland do opt for independence, and remaining in the EU, I suspect a lot of the Welsh and English might be heading north of the border!

Why?

[Bubbles]

If Scotland do opt for independence, and remaining in the EU, I suspect a lot of the Welsh and English might be heading north of the border!

No they'll just persuade Donald Trump to build a new Hadrians Wall   ( he's into walls I hear  )

Funnily enough he is a heavy investor in Scotland but thinks Brexit is a good thing 

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[floo]

Why?

Because they want to stay part of the EU!

[floo]

No they'll just persuade Donald Trump to build a new Hadrians Wall   ( he's into walls I hear  )

Funnily enough he is a heavy investor in Scotland but thinks Brexit is a good thing 

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They could use that nasty guy as part of the foundations!

[ad_orientem]

Because they want to stay part of the EU!

I guess some people like austerity.

[Nearly Sane]

Chris Deerin on a No Voter's perspective


http://tinyurl.com/zmdvqt8

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rose,

Would it be better to wait, not make the same mistake of voting on a gut reaction?

Yep!! All my chuntering so far has been gut reaction but we have no choice but to wait, so far, and this is only day two it has been bad news.

And you are right, there is lots of questions to be answered, the powers to be must have known Nicola Sturgeons answer to a leave vote, so now we wait for an answer to how they will deal with Scotland asking for another Independence vote.

I now know how I would have felt if Scotland had gained Independence, would Westminster like the EU have asked for a quickie divorce, it is all like a Spike Milligan sketch, what are we going to do now, what are we going to.......................................

One poster on here suggests that we can now trade with Russia, is that a bonus, am I right in thinking that Russia supplies most of our gas, am I right in thinking that most of our gas comes from Europe, should we all wrap up well this winter.

Am I now sounding like a prophet of doom, well when I am left in the dark, not knowing what our future is, I tend to get a little edgy, hopefully Jakswan and Jack knave can cheer me up, maybe we won't need European gas, we will frack the F*** out of our little country, hey! we could start fracking on the banks of Loch Lomond, nobody uses it, well except to admire it glorious beauty but who needs beauty, doomed, doomed, we are all doomed

Gonnagle.

[Bubbles]

Chris Deerin on a No Voter's perspective


http://tinyurl.com/zmdvqt8

Interesting link NS 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sane,

Thank you, that someone else is as bewildered as I am, that someone else shares some of my thoughts helps, I am not alone

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

And an interesting piece from Andrew McKie

http://m.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14579794.Andrew_McKie__Why_Brexit_will_spell_the_end_for_Ukip/

[Udayana]

Maybe there is a solution where Scotland remains part of the UK but also stays included in the EU. Somewhat like Denmark, where most of Denmark is in the EU but Greenland is not.

[jeremyp]

Maybe there is a solution where Scotland remains part of the UK but also stays included in the EU. Somewhat like Denmark, where most of Denmark is in the EU but Greenland is not.

But the Little Englanders will need to put border controls between England and Scotland to control Johnny Foreigner. How could we be one country with a customs post dividing it?

[Nearly Sane]

But the Little Englanders will need to put border controls between England and Scotland to control Johnny Foreigner. How could we be one country with a customs post dividing it?

I agree that it is hard to see how this would work. I've seen a Lib Dem motion supporting it though

[Udayana]

Yes, but not a question of border controls, as we won't have those with Ireland either.

[Hope]

If Scotland do opt for independence, and remaining in the EU, I suspect a lot of the Welsh and English might be heading north of the border!

Floo, they can't opt to remain in the EU - on two accounts.  Firstly, Thursday's vote is a UK decision, regardless of wehat individual elements of the UK voted.  Secondly, with their own separatist movements, Spain - at the very least - will veto their accession.

[jeremyp]

Floo, they can't opt to remain in the EU - on two accounts.  Firstly, Thursday's vote is a UK decision, regardless of wehat individual elements of the UK voted.

The referendum is not legally binding. The UK doesn't have to leave the EU now although it would be political suicide for the next PM to ignore the result. But Scotland could ignore the result. The big problem is actually that, by the time Scotland is independent the UK will no longer be in the EU.

Secondly, with their own separatist movements, Spain - at the very least - will veto their accession.

No they won't. The situation is totally different as compared to the last Scottish Independence referendum.

[Hope]

The referendum is not legally binding. The UK doesn't have to leave the EU now although it would be political suicide for the next PM to ignore the result. But Scotland could ignore the result. The big problem is actually that, by the time Scotland is independent the UK will no longer be in the EU.

I've pointed that out several times, jeremy.  However, since Scotland was a part of the UK at the time of the referendum, whatever the politicians in Westminster decide will be binding on Scotland. 

No they won't. The situation is totally different as compared to the last Scottish Independence referendum.

Not if the Scots are seen to have jumped ship whilst the UK are still technically part of the EU - ie sometime within the next 2 years or so.

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

If Scotland could veto the Brexit vote, GO FOR IT!

[ad_orientem]

They can't do that.

[jeremyp]

I've pointed that out several times, jeremy.  However, since Scotland was a part of the UK at the time of the referendum, whatever the politicians in Westminster decide will be binding on Scotland. 
Not if the Scots are seen to have jumped ship whilst the UK are still technically part of the EU - ie sometime within the next 2 years or so.

The timetable won't work. There isn't time to organise a Scottish referendum this year or probably next. Then the negotiations to break up the union will take far longer than the ones to leave the EU. By the time Scotland achieves independence we will be well out of the EU

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

If Scotland could veto the Brexit vote, GO FOR IT!

I note that George Foulkes of all people has just said on Twitter that Labour should support the SNP on this.!

To be honest, I doubt the legislation actually allows for this but it would be interesting

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad and Jeremyp,

As Nicola Sturgeon kept repeating all morning, there are no rules, uncharted territory, and as she is the only politician of note, not in hiding or being stabbed in the back then the field is wide open for her to explore any avenue she chooses, I heard something about a reverse Greenland issue and the unification of Germany after the wall came down, oh and ad, when you tell a Scotsman person they can't do something, the immediate thought is "oh you bloody well think so".

Gonnagle.