Scottish Independance

[JP]

Way too complex - there is only one way to do it.... Fight.....

What do expect from this fight?

[Gordon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36673126

Doesn't look pretty, I almost feel sorry for Sturgeon, wait..... phew feeling passed.

Looks like it will have to be on for next summer if at all, but then voting will take place amongst inconclusive EU/UK relationship.

I think IndyRef2 is likely.

The timing of it can't be clear as yet though, since at present Brexit hasn't been formally initiated.

Since what happens next is unknown regarding how/when Brexit will be negotiated and what these negotiations will, or won't, include - then I'd imagine that the 'when' depends on how these events play out.

[L.A.]

I think IndyRef2 is likely.

The timing of it can't be clear as yet though, since at present Brexit hasn't been formally initiated.

Since what happens next is unknown regarding how/when Brexit will be negotiated and what these negotiations will, or won't, include - then I'd imagine that the 'when' depends on how these events play out.

It just struck me the other day that Scotland might want to explore the possibility of a "Keltic Federation" with Northern and Southern Ireland?

[Gordon]

It just struck me the other day that Scotland might want to explore the possibility of a "Keltic Federation" with Northern and Southern Ireland?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36667115

[L.A.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36667115

I was aware that there had been calls from Sinn Féin, but I'm guessing that that would not go well with the Unionists. However, some kind of Federal system linking the three countries could potentially be acceptable to all parties?

[jeremyp]

Looks like it will have to be on for next summer if at all, but then voting will take place amongst inconclusive EU/UK relationship.

I can't see how there will be time to organise a Scottish Independence referendum for next summer. I think we'd be talking 2018 at the earliest.

[Nearly Sane]

What do expect from this fight?

Harry Hill reference

[JP]

Harry Hill reference

No, not a Harry Hill reference. If you don't want to answer a question about your previously expressed opinion that's fine.

Look on the bright side. Had the Scottish indy ref been a yes you would have had to leave the EU anyway. The UK  EU referendum has done that for Nicola so one job out of the way, in reverse order, granted, but even so I have no idea why she is so het up when the out folk have done her a favour. Now all she has to do it get another indy ref organised as I am sure the result will be a walk in the park yes. This means that following all the flying around Europe in her jet setting diplomacy, which made her look like a latter day Kissenger, all she will have to do is sign on the dotted line. I am sure all the paperwork will be ready as  Junkeret al seem to be tripping over themselves with their new best friend so they can stick one to the English ( the welsh are okay ).

I voted in btw, but hey ho, in lost so now we need to see what happens. You never know, when all the dust settles, the negotiations are complete and the dotted lines are signed we may have a good deal, good enough to make people think again when indyref2 appears.

Hello JeremyP. If your reading this could you check my spelling please as I typed it quite quickly. ta.

[Nearly Sane]

No, not a Harry Hill reference. If you don't want to answer a question about your previously expressed opinion that's fine.

Look on the bright side. Had the Scottish indy ref been a yes you would have had to leave the EU anyway. The UK  EU referendum has done that for Nicola so one job out of the way, in reverse order, granted, but even so I have no idea why she is so het up when the out folk have done her a favour. Now all she has to do it get another indy ref organised as I am sure the result will be a walk in the park yes. This means that following all the flying around Europe in her jet setting diplomacy, which made her look like a latter day Kissenger, all she will have to do is sign on the dotted line. I am sure all the paperwork will be ready as  Junkeret al seem to be tripping over themselves with their new best friend so they can stick one to the English ( the welsh are okay ).

I voted in btw, but hey ho, in lost so now we need to see what happens. You never know, when all the dust settles, the negotiations are complete and the dotted lines are signed we may have a good deal, good enough to make people think again when indyref2 appears.

Hello JeremyP. If your reading this could you check my spelling please as I typed it quite quickly. ta.

What do you mean not a Harry Hill reference. I made a joke which was a Harry Hill reference in an off hand comment to a post. There was nothing more to it than that so I am baffled as to what you think it has to do with anything else I've said.

[Spud]

Teresa May in her first PMQ answered a question about Scotland wanting to remain in the EU by saying:
"Interesting how the SNP a couple of years ago were campaigning to leave the UK, which at the time would have meant leaving the EU."
Is this true? Was there any plan before the Scottish referendum for Scotland to join the EU as an independent nation, if they voted to leave the UK?

[Jack Knave]

Teresa May in her first PMQ answered a question about Scotland wanting to remain in the EU by saying:
"Interesting how the SNP a couple of years ago were campaigning to leave the UK, which at the time would have meant leaving the EU."
Is this true? Was there any plan before the Scottish referendum for Scotland to join the EU as an independent nation, if they voted to leave the UK?

Yes, they wanted to leave the UK and then carry on (re-join) in the EU with the same terms. Salmond claim to have legal advice to this effect that they could do this but when pressed had to admit that it had been made up.

[Hope]

Is this true? Was there any plan before the Scottish referendum for Scotland to join the EU as an independent nation, if they voted to leave the UK?

Both Salmond and Sturgeon made a huge noise about the fact they wanted to leave the UK but to remain as part of the EU.  In their eyes, there would be no need for them to (re)apply for EU membership because they had  already been part of an EU member nation.

[Gordon]

TM is being a tad economical with the truth, Spud.

In 2014 we were told by the 'No' mafia that if we wanted to remain in the EU then we really needed to stay in the UK, which no doubt swayed some here since, as the EU referendum result shows, Scotland is pro-EU: I'm sure the irony of recent events won't be lost on you.

Hopefully we'll get another chance - and, if so, this time I think we'll take it.   

[Hope]

Hopefully we'll get another chance - and, if so, this time I think we'll take it.

Yet there is still no guarantee that an application to the EU for mmbership would be granted.

[Gordon]

Yet there is still no guarantee that an application to the EU for mmbership would be granted.

True - but we'd be negotiating without the concrete overcoat of the Brexit-voting UK.

[Spud]

TM is being a tad economical with the truth, Spud.

In 2014 we were told by the 'No' mafia that if we wanted to remain in the EU then we really needed to stay in the UK, which no doubt swayed some here since, as the EU referendum result shows, Scotland is pro-EU: I'm sure the irony of recent events won't be lost on you.

Hopefully we'll get another chance - and, if so, this time I think we'll take it.

You never know... they wanted the UK to remain in. But would they want an independent Scotland to remain in? That has not been answered yet.

[Nearly Sane]

You never know... they wanted the UK to remain in. But would they want an independent Scotland to remain in? That has not been answered yet.

Yes, it has. They do

[Jack Knave]

True - but we'd be negotiating without the concrete overcoat of the Brexit-voting UK.

Instead you'll be trying to convince Spain, to vote for you, that by getting independence and then re-joining this wouldn't have any affect on Catalan's drive for independence. 

[Nearly Sane]

Instead you'll be trying to convince Spain, to vote for you, that by getting independence and then re-joining this wouldn't have any affect on Catalan's drive for independence.

not rejoining. And maybe their opposition might cause Catalonia to declare UDI

[Jack Knave]

Yes, it has. They do

Evidence.

[Jack Knave]

not rejoining. And maybe their opposition might cause Catalonia to declare UDI

If you leave then you have to re-join.

[Nearly Sane]

If you leave then you have to re-join.

indeed, but the intention is not to leave, and since you think the EU us corrupt, you can't batgue that it can't happen

[Nearly Sane]

Evidence.

that the SNP want to stay in Europe? Their last manifesto, the manifesto for the UK election, the white paper for the Scottish referendum, and the position of the FM since the EU referendum. Next?

[Jack Knave]

indeed, but the intention is not to leave, and since you think the EU us corrupt, you can't batgue that it can't happen

But you (we) have left as per the referendum. And Spain won't allow it.

[Jack Knave]

that the SNP want to stay in Europe? Their last manifesto, the manifesto for the UK election, the white paper for the Scottish referendum, and the position of the FM since the EU referendum. Next?

Misread it. I thought 'they' were the EU. Would the EU want Scotland to remain in...