Author Topic: Scottish Independance (Read 17030 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #125 on:** August 05, 2016, 07:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on August 05, 2016, 07:16:45 PM

Misread it. I thought 'they' were the EU. Would the EU want Scotland to remain in...

some of them, the latest survey put in line large needs generally. But not sure what the relevance is now.

jeremyp · « **Reply #126 on:** August 08, 2016, 12:23:35 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on August 05, 2016, 06:28:14 PM

Instead you'll be trying to convince Spain, to vote for you, that by getting independence and then re-joining this wouldn't have any affect on Catalan's drive for independence.

Spain would be bought off. Think of all those lovely fishing grounds around Scotland, for example.

jeremyp · « **Reply #127 on:** August 08, 2016, 12:27:26 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on August 05, 2016, 07:11:36 PM

But you (we) have left as per the referendum. And Spain won't allow it.

We haven't left yet. We haven't even triggered the negotiating process yet.

Anyway, I don't think it would be possible for Scotland to stay in the EU and the rest of the UK to leave, at least not without erecting border controls.

What will happen is we leave the EU, Scotland has another referendum that the UK Leavers win and then they apply for membership of the EU. They will get in with some negotiation.

Bubbles · « **Reply #128 on:** August 08, 2016, 01:10:01 PM »

I don't think Theresa May will allow another referendum. Not for Scotland.

She isn't David Cameron.

We are in this together.

For better or worse.

Scotland is staying where it is, in the UK.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #129 on:** August 08, 2016, 02:37:25 PM »

Quote from: Rose on August 08, 2016, 01:10:01 PM

I don't think Theresa May will allow another referendum. Not for Scotland.

She isn't David Cameron.

We are in this together.

For better or worse.

Scotland is staying where it is, in the UK.

It's in the EU too - so perhaps you need to qualify that last statement

JP · « **Reply #130 on:** August 08, 2016, 02:44:47 PM »

The UK has EU membership

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #131 on:** August 08, 2016, 02:50:55 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 02:44:47 PM

The UK has EU membership

Is Scotland in the EU?

JP · « **Reply #132 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:02:52 PM »

I am not getting into it. I am merely pointing out that the membership of the EU is for the UK.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #133 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:14:09 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:02:52 PM

I am not getting into it. I am merely pointing out that the membership of the EU is for the UK.

And I was merely pointing out that the status quo is Scotland is the EU - so what is your point?

JP · « **Reply #134 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:23:11 PM »

Scotland as a sovereign nation does not have EU membership.

Gordon · « **Reply #135 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:29:51 PM »

Quote from: Rose on August 08, 2016, 01:10:01 PM

I don't think Theresa May will allow another referendum. Not for Scotland.

She isn't David Cameron.

We are in this together.

For better or worse.

Scotland is staying where it is, in the UK.

Only until we leave.

Gordon · « **Reply #136 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:30:20 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:23:11 PM

Scotland as a sovereign nation does not have EU membership.

As yet.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #137 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:34:20 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:23:11 PM

Scotland as a sovereign nation does not have EU membership.

Which doesn't impact that arguing for the status quo means accepting that it is currently in.

JP · « **Reply #138 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:36:21 PM »

Editing as you go eh? Once I've replied as well. tut tut

Gordon agrees with me. Take it up with him.

Gordon · « **Reply #139 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:41:45 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:36:21 PM

Editing as you go eh? Once I've replied as well. tut tut

Gordon agrees with me. Take it up with him.

Not really: my point is simply that Scotland does not have separate EU membership as yet. We currently do for as long as the UK remains a EU member.

Hopefully that state of affairs will change when we leave the UK.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #140 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:42:28 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:36:21 PM

Editing as you go eh? Once I've replied as well. tut tut

Gordon agrees with me. Take it up with him.

A typo? So what? what do are you implying?

And BTW I am still right about the staus quo - so any point yet?

BeRational · « **Reply #141 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:44:13 PM »

Quote from: Gordon on August 08, 2016, 03:41:45 PM

Not really: my point is simply that Scotland does not have separate EU membership as yet. We currently do for as long as the UK remains a EU member.

Hopefully that state of affairs will change when we leave the UK.

I would like Derbyshire to become part of Scotland at that point.

JP · « **Reply #142 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:44:29 PM »

See Gordon's reply. Scotland does not currently have a separate EU membership.

I am implying you changed the context of your post. Status quo was not in the original.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #143 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:47:09 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:36:21 PM

Editing as you go eh? Once I've replied as well. tut tut

Gordon agrees with me. Take it up with him.

Oh and you seem to have missed that point that Gordon will also agree that Scotland is currently in the EU - as I have been stating. Indeed you seem a tad confused overall. The current status quo is that Scotland is in the UK and the EU so you cannot as Rose was suggesting maintain the status quo simply by remaining in the UK if the UK leaves the EU

JP · « **Reply #144 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:49:01 PM »

Read #136

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #145 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:51:54 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:44:29 PM

See Gordon's reply. Scotland does not currently have a separate EU membership.

I am implying you changed the context of your post. Status quo was not in the original.

I haven't said it did have seperate EU membership - which is why I've been asking you about your point. You know the bit where I ask you is Scotland in the EU and you refused to answer because ....

I didn't change the context of my post I corrected a typo - it read staus originally. So perhaps you want to retract the idea that the editing was in some way nefarious?

Is Scotland in the EU currently?

Gordon · « **Reply #146 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:54:21 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

Read #136

Which is correct - Scotland does not have EU membership that is separate from the UK EU membership, as yet.

We are currently subsumed into the UKs membership.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #147 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:54:57 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

Read #136

And its relevance to the fact that Scotland is in the EU currently? You do agree that it is? Even though you avoided answering when asked? After all it is a simple fact that Scotland is in the EU currently. Indeed the STATUS QUO is that Scotland is in the EU currently.

JP · « **Reply #148 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:55:06 PM »

I've checked the EU website and Scotland is not on there as a member state. Check yourself.

http://en.strasbourg-europe.eu/member-states,3322,en.html

Gordon · « **Reply #149 on:** August 08, 2016, 03:58:20 PM »

Quote from: JP on August 08, 2016, 03:55:06 PM

I've checked the EU website and Scotland is not on there as a member state. Check yourself.

http://en.strasbourg-europe.eu/member-states,3322,en.html

But the UK is and for the time being that includes us.

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Author Topic: Scottish Independance (Read 17030 times)

Bubbles