Scottish Independance

[Nearly Sane]

I've checked the EU website and Scotland is not on there as a member state. Check yourself.

http://en.strasbourg-europe.eu/member-states,3322,en.html

That's nice - who said it was a member state - your pet scarecrow? Scotland is in the EU currently. That's what I said - stop avoiding the fact that Scotland is in the EU currently by suggesting a strawman about what was stated. The status quo is that Scotland is in the EU - care to apologise for the implication that I edited my post to say anything else? Or to deny that the status quo is that Scotland is currently is the EU?

[Bubbles]

Only until we leave.

You're not going anywhere, Gordon 

Like the wallpaper sticks to the wall
Like the seashore clings to the sea
Like you'll never get rid of your shadow
Frank, you'll never get rid of me
Let all the others fight and fuss
Whatever happens, we've got us.
Me and my shadow
We're closer than pages that stick in a book
We're closer than ripples that play in a brook
Strolling down the avenue
Wherever you find him, you'll find me, just look
Closer than a miser or the bloodhounds to Liza
Me and my shadow
We're closer than smog when it clings to L.A.
We're closer than Bobby is to J.F.K.
Not a soul can bust this team in two
We stick together like glue
And when it's sleeping time
That's when we rise
We start to swing
Swing to the skies
Our clocks don't chime
What a surprise
They ring-a-ding-ding!.................

 

[jeremyp]

Scotland as a sovereign nation does not have EU membership.

Scotland is not currently a sovereign state. That's what the Independence referendum was about.

[Spud]

that the SNP want to stay in Europe?

No, I meant, do the Scottish people want to stay in the EU as an independent nation, outside the UK, or would they rather stay in the UK despite it leaving the EU. Is that known?

Their last manifesto, the manifesto for the UK election, the white paper for the Scottish referendum, and the position of the FM since the EU referendum. Next?

[Jack Knave]

Spain would be bought off. Think of all those lovely fishing grounds around Scotland, for example.

There's not a fish big enough.

[Gordon]

No, I meant, do the Scottish people want to stay in the EU as an independent nation, outside the UK, or would they rather stay in the UK despite it leaving the EU. Is that known?

We'll find out whenever we get Indyref2: I suspect the former will win the day given the result of the recent EU referendum here in Scotland.

[Jack Knave]

We'll find out whenever we get Indyref2: I suspect the former will win the day given the result of the recent EU referendum here in Scotland.

By the time they get that vote Britain will be booming and the EU will be rotting away, so I reckon you Scots will be begging to stay with us.

[Nearly Sane]

By the time they get that vote Britain will be booming and the EU will be rotting away, so I reckon you Scots will be begging to stay with us.

Yeah the now 19 people whose contracts effected by Brexit, including the 6 in India, that I told were done today are clapping your lack of understanding and empathy.

Or rather boom, my fucking arse!

[Jack Knave]

Yeah the now 19 people whose contracts effected by Brexit, including the 6 in India, that I told were done today are clapping your lack of understanding and empathy.

These things happen. You think the EU is a wonderful place? Ask the Greeks. Their youth have an unemployment rate of 50% and the country is being ground down into dust. There democratic rating is up there with Mozambique. It is now law there for all companies regardless of size to pay their taxes a year in advance!!!

Or rather boom, my fucking arse!

Are you going to ban yourself for that rude comment? I see you've banned Sassy. She's a harmless biddy, why are you so mean?

[Nearly Sane]

These things happen. You think the EU is a wonderful place? Ask the Greeks. Their youth have an unemployment rate of 50% and the country is being ground down into dust. There democratic rating is up there with Mozambique. It is now law there for all companies regardless of size to pay their taxes a year in advance!!!

Or rather boom, my fucking arse!

Your vote, your consequence. I await the boom you are claiming

[jeremyp]

By the time they get that vote Britain will be booming and the EU will be rotting away,

You do know that those two eventualities are mutually exclusive?

Whatever Britain's status in the future, our economy is so dependent on that of Europe that the end of the EU will be very bad for us.

[jeremyp]

These things happen. You think the EU is a wonderful place? Ask the Greeks. Their youth have an unemployment rate of 50% and the country is being ground down into dust.

Do not conflate the EU and the Euro. It's dishonest.

[Jack Knave]

Your vote, your consequence. I await the boom you are claiming

You voted for the EU - Your stubbornness and connivances to stay with something that is causing millions of people misery, that's your responsibility and consequence.

[Jack Knave]

You do know that those two eventualities are mutually exclusive?

Whatever Britain's status in the future, our economy is so dependent on that of Europe that the end of the EU will be very bad for us.

These are just relative terms.

[Jack Knave]

Do not conflate the EU and the Euro. It's dishonest.

Of course they are the same thing. The Euro is part of the Maastricht treaty which is an EU treaty (in fact it has been there from day one). The Euro is also the wet dream of the EU people and is the apotheosis of the political project. IT IS FUCKED. IT IS ALL FUCKED!!!

[Hope]

Of course they are the same thing. The Euro is part of the Maastricht treaty which is an EU treaty (in fact it has been there from day one). The Euro is also the wet dream of the EU people and is the apotheosis of the political project. IT IS FUCKED. IT IS ALL FUCKED!!!

But they are still not the same thing.  One is a currency, the other a political and economic system.  Remember that the EU existed for about 10 years before the Euro was introduced.

[jeremyp]

Of course they are the same thing.

That is a blatant lie.

Look up which countries are in the Euro and which countries are in the EU. The two lists are not identical.

[Nearly Sane]

You voted for the EU - Your stubbornness and connivances to stay with something that is causing millions of people misery, that's your responsibility and consequence.

so my sacking of 19 people today, nothing to do with the declared effect of Brexit. My vote has no consequence - it didn't win. Thank you for the effect of yours of those 19 people I sacked today

[JP]

Scotland is not currently a sovereign state. That's what the Independence referendum was about.

Thank you Jeremy. I learned something today.

[JP]

That's nice - who said it was a member state - your pet scarecrow? Scotland is in the EU currently. That's what I said - stop avoiding the fact that Scotland is in the EU currently by suggesting a strawman about what was stated. The status quo is that Scotland is in the EU - care to apologise for the implication that I edited my post to say anything else? Or to deny that the status quo is that Scotland is currently is the EU?

I live in Northumberland. Northumberland is in the UK, the EU, NATO and so on and so forth. Were you really making such a childish observation.

[Nearly Sane]

I live in Northumberland. Northumberland is in the UK, the EU, NATO and so on and so forth. Were you really making such a childish observation.

This isn't that hard. You can equate Northumberland to Scotland and though overall that would be questionable. It doesn't change the idea that Scotland, and indeed Northumberland, is in factually the EU. That in the status quo they both are. And that using the idea that Scotland is in the UK, ignores it being in the EU.at the same time is just foolish. What else can I help with?

[JP]

Explain what you mean by status quo.....

[Nearly Sane]

Explain what you mean by status quo.....

The current situation, you know, currently as i've put once or twice in a few posts.

[JP]

Seems a bit juvenile to me, pointing such a thing out.

[Nearly Sane]

Seems a bit juvenile to me, pointing such a thing out.

Was Rose's point about Scotland currently being in the UK juvenile?