Where's Boris?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The EU foreign ministers are about
Nicola Sturgeon is about
Cameron is sitting looking at a car park in Cleethorpes.......

Where's Boris and Gove?

[Brownie]

Boris:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1340229/boris-johnson-pictured-today-as-he-prepares-bid-to-replace-david-cameron/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Saw that.......He has the look of someone who has placed a huge turd on the doorstep and is about to run off.

[Nearly Sane]

Where's George?

[Hope]

Where's George?

He may well be busy analysing the impact of this vote on the British economy.

[Jack Knave]

The EU foreign ministers are about
Nicola Sturgeon is about
Cameron is sitting looking at a car park in Cleethorpes.......

Where's Boris and Gove?

We are seeing all those who have nothing to do but strut about posturing like vacant....

[Jack Knave]

I think the real fallout from this referendum will be the internal battle in the Tory party for a new leader. The bitterness that was unleashed during it is now brewing to stop Boris from becoming PM. We be leaderless for some while or end up with a pro-EU leaders such as May.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think the real fallout from this referendum will be the internal battle in the Tory party for a new leader. The bitterness that was unleashed during it is now brewing to stop Boris from becoming PM. We be leaderless for some while or end up with a pro-EU leaders such as May.

The real fallout is the economy. Eventually the glow from Independence day is going to give way to the fact that yet again working people will be asked to sacrifice jobs and homes for yet another experiment by public schoolboys.

[Jack Knave]

The real fallout is the economy. Eventually the glow from Independence day is going to give way to the fact that yet again working people will be asked to sacrifice jobs and homes for yet another experiment by public schoolboys.

But that is true of the EU, look at how Greek has been treated. It is all the same project, the Neo-Liberal one.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But that is true of the EU, look at how Greek has been treated. It is all the same project, the Neo-Liberal one.

I'm afraid it was tax avoidance which stuffed Greece so in a way self inflicted.
But not as self inflicted as the UK being richer than France at 10 o'clock PM
and poorer than it 12 hours later.

Again Jack, What's the plan?

[Hope]

The real fallout is the economy. Eventually the glow from Independence day is going to give way to the fact that yet again working people will be asked to sacrifice jobs and homes for yet another experiment by public schoolboys.

Vlad, I hadn't realised that Gisela Stuart and Peter Cruddas, two of the key figures in the Vote Leave group, attended public schools.

[Nearly Sane]

Who is Peter Cruddas?

[Hope]

I think the real fallout from this referendum will be the internal battle in the Tory party for a new leader. The bitterness that was unleashed during it is now brewing to stop Boris from becoming PM. We be leaderless for some while or end up with a pro-EU leaders such as May.

I suspect that several of the 'Leavers' may decide to leave the party, leaving it to those who wanted to remain in the EU.

I notice that the petition for a re-run has passed 2.4 million in little over 36 hours.  What would happen if the number signing it reached more than the number of voters who voted for Brexit?   

[Brownie]

Peter Cruddas is what used to be called a "yuppy".  He comes from an East End working class background and has done extremely well for himself in banking and trading.  Loadsa money!  He is also a philanthropist and founded an organisation to help disadvantaged young people.  Decent bloke by all accounts, must be near enough my age.

Gisela Stuart is a German lady who originally came here to further her studies.  I don't know much about her.

[jeremyp]

I suspect that several of the 'Leavers' may decide to leave the party, leaving it to those who wanted to remain in the EU.

But they won. The Leavers are in the ascendant and no Remainer is going to be credible as the PM to steer us out of the EU.

I notice that the petition for a re-run has passed 2.4 million in little over 36 hours.  What would happen if the number signing it reached more than the number of voters who voted for Brexit?   

I was wondering that too. Of course, if it does get that high, we'd have to call "fix" because there aren't that many Remainers with Internet access to sign a petition.

[L.A.]

I was out with friends last night and we got to discussing politics, and we realised that the left wing of the Tory party (largely remainders) and the right wing of Labour had more in common with each other than either had with the rest of their own party, in fact on paper, they would be the largest party.

Interesting thought.

[Harrowby Hall]

I was out with friends last night and we got to discussing politics, and we realised that the left wing of the Tory party (largely remainders) and the right wing of Labour had more in common with each other than either had with the rest of their own party, in fact on paper, they would be the largest party.

Interesting thought.

And our voting system - first past the post - reinforces partisan tribalism rather than political viewpoint. Proportion representation may well create new parties which more accurately reflect the political views of people generally than do the two paleolithic tribal entities we call political parties

Tony Blair made Labour electable by taking it to the middle ground. He is now reviled because of the wet dreams he had for G W Bush (and their consequences) .

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad, I hadn't realised that Gisela Stuart and Peter Cruddas, two of the key figures in the Vote Leave group, attended public schools.

They are merely Igors to Johnsons Dr Frankenstein.

[Hope]

They are merely Igors to Johnsons Dr Frankenstein.

But they are still the power behind the throne - after all, Johnson only joined Vote Leave some weeks after it had been set up.

[Hope]

But they won. The Leavers are in the ascendant and no Remainer is going to be credible as the PM to steer us out of the EU.

I didn't say that a remainer could be a credible PM - just that I suspect that the make up of the Tory - and possibly the Labour - parties will change over the next few months.

I was wondering that too. Of course, if it does get that high, we'd have to call "fix" because there aren't that many Remainers with Internet access to sign a petition.

But you don't need to have voted in the referendum to have access to the petition.  There will have been young people - and old people - who have access to the internet who (for whatever reason didn't vote) who could sign the petition.  After all, only 33-odd million actually voted to leave - what about the other 7 0r 8 million who were eligible/signed up to vote but chose not to.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think of course, that like Cameron, Gove and Johnson will sit this one out and let chaos rule in the country.
How do you then get a country back from chaos?

Government of National unity?

[Nearly Sane]

Nick Cohen

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars

[Aruntraveller]

My guess is Boris is shitting himself right now because in his heart of hearts he never expected this to happen. He wanted a close enough contest to destabilise Cameron and then for him to take over. His plan never included leaving.

And just to echo the currently rather wonderful Vlad on this issue.

What is the fucking plan?

[Gonnagle]

Dear World, ( because I think the world wants to know )

Vlad is asking, Trent is asking, Gonnagle is asking,

What is the fucking plan? I made it purple, the colour I associate with rage.

And just as a aside, old Blue and his Leprechauns, everytime I look at Andrew Neil

Gonnagle.

PS: I think Trent is right about Boris.

[jeremyp]

I read a comment this morning on Facebook that makes the case that Cameron has thoroughly stitched up his successor and the fact that Johnson is moping around like a man who realizes he has just shat himself shows that he knows it.

If the next PM presses the article 50 button they will go down in history as the person who destroyed the UK (as in Scotland leaves not as in economic armageddon). None of the Leavers want that, ironically. If they don't press the button, they will be destroyed for going against the will of the people.