Red on Red, Labour implode

[jakswan]

Surely they have split, Corbyn should be in the Green Party, Benn in the LibDems.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Surely they have split, Corbyn should be in the Green Party, Benn in the LibDems.

They are still going to have more than one MP Jack.

[Hope]

I wonder whether either Tory or Labour Parties will ever really rcover from the events of last week.  Perhaps that would a be good thing and encourage people to really think about their voting, rather than simply voting for this or that party because they always have done, and their parents before them.

[jakswan]

Hearing that the PLP can have its own leader.

[Hope]

Hearing that the PLP can have its own leader.

Are you saying that the PLP can elect a leader that is different to that elected by the membership?  I thought that that was diametrically opposed to the 'democratic' nature of the process.  Out of interest, if this was the case, which leader would become PM following any General Election victory?

[Harrowby Hall]

I wonder whether either Tory or Labour Parties will ever really rcover from the events of last week.  Perhaps that would a be good thing and encourage people to really think about their voting, rather than simply voting for this or that party because they always have done, and their parents before them.

But we need a rational voting system.

[Nearly Sane]

Quote from Frankie Boyle

'I'm not a politician but I don't know that the best time to launch a Blairite conis 2 weeks before the Chilcot report comes out'

[Nearly Sane]

Blog from Craig Murray

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/

[floo]

Surely they have split, Corbyn should be in the Green Party, Benn in the LibDems.

You are probably right!

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tristram-hunt-tells-oxbridge-labour-students-that-the-top-1-per-cent-must-take-leadership-in-labour-a6717731.html

[jeremyp]

Ffs



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tristram-hunt-tells-oxbridge-labour-students-that-the-top-1-per-cent-must-take-leadership-in-labour-a6717731.html

That was last year.

[Nearly Sane]

That was last year.

Indeed, my mistake, thanks.

[jeremyp]

Indeed, my mistake, thanks.

Here is what I think will happen. Labour MPs will force an election. Corbyn will win again for exactly the same reasons as last time but reinforced by the observation of the PLP riding roughshod over the will of the electorate.

[Nearly Sane]

Here is what I think will happen. Labour MPs will force an election. Corbyn will win again for exactly the same reasons as last time but reinforced by the observation of the PLP riding roughshod over the will of the electorate.

Probably right, what happens then will be interesting though

[jeremyp]

Probably right, what happens then will be interesting though

I agree but "may you live in interesting times" is allegedly an ancient Chinese curse.

[jakswan]

If that can't get rid of Corbyn then the centre left MPs are are on borrowed time, they will all face deselection.

Notice LibDems will fight a future election on overturning referendum vote. I can see many of these MPs moving to LibDems, if they pick up support from the electorate.

[Aruntraveller]

I wonder whether either Tory or Labour Parties will ever really rcover from the events of last week.  Perhaps that would a be good thing and encourage people to really think about their voting, rather than simply voting for this or that party because they always have done, and their parents before them.

Oh grief - I'm going to have to lie down - agreeing with HOpe again.

[Hope]

Oh grief - I'm going to have to lie down - agreeing with HOpe again.

Hi Trent, one's position on a single issue doesn't define anyone.  In a previous board, several of us did one of these 'where do you stand politically' questionnaires (via Facebook, iirc).  I turned out to be overall somewhat more left wing than most of the others and especially those who supported gay rights!!   

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Here is what I think will happen. Labour MPs will force an election. Corbyn will win again for exactly the same reasons as last time but reinforced by the observation of the PLP riding roughshod over the will of the electorate.

The PLP have got a problem in that since Corbyn was elected by the Labour Party membership, it is up to the said membership to remove him. If he was appointed by the PLP it would be a different matter.

[Ricky Spanish]

It's nothing more than all the thatcher loving Blairites getting all twitchy about the Chilcot enquiry and Corbyns threat of trying to get their beloved ex-leader charged with war crimes:

Jeremy Corbyn 'still prepared to call for Tony Blair war crimes investigation'

Jeremy Corbyn is prepared to call for an investigation into Tony Blair for alleged war crimes during the Iraq War, according to reports.

The Chilcot Inquiry into conflict will be released on 6 July this year after years of analysing evidence about how the Government acted in the run-up to and during the conflict.

During the Labour leadership election Mr Corbyn said he was convinced the Iraq War was illegal and that anyone who had committed a crime should be put on trial.

Tony Blair set to be savaged in ‘absolutely brutal’ Chilcot verdict “If [Tony Blair has] committed a war crime, yes. Everyone who's committed a war crime should be [charged],” he said...

http://tinyurl.com/j8okteh

I say good riddance to the Blairite scum. He should have kicked them all out as soon as he took over...

Corbyn fans should welcome this attempted coup, the Blairites are committing political suicide.

In these uncertain days after the Brexit vote, when the Labour party needed to rally UK progressives to prevent a right-wing Brexit from the European Union – a small number of Labour MPs have instead chosen to mount a coup against leader Jeremy Corbyn. But Corbyn supporters should be ecstatic, because this opportunistic and ignorant move is an act of political suicide for the Blairites..

This coup is being mounted despite Corbyn winning last year’s leadership election with the greatest landslide of any leader in the party’s history (including Blair), doubling the membership of the Labour party, and moving ahead in the polls.

But the British public aren’t idiots. This move by the increasingly bitter but withered ranks of Blairite Labour MPs has been seen as rank opportunism, and detrimental to the urgent work required to ensure a progressive exit from the European Union. The reaction has been swift, and defiant.

First, there was a massive show of support for Corbyn by Labour members. A petition called “A vote of confidence for Jeremy Corbyn after the Brexit vote” has gathered more than 150,000 signatures in the last 24 hours and continues to rise rapidly.

Next came the unions. The leaders of the 12 strongest unions in the United Kingdom wrote a letter of support following the attempted coup....

http://tinyurl.com/hgv9jpu

This might just be the shake-up the Labour Party needs to get it back to its grass-roots!!

[Ricky Spanish]

This just in: "Jeremy Corbyn Announces New Shadow Cabinet As Labour MPs Attempt To Force Him To Resign"

"Jeremy Corbyn has announced a new shadow cabinet, as he battles to cling onto the leadership of the Labour Party following a series of resignations designed to oust him from office.

Over the course of Sunday, Corbyn lost 12 members of his shadow cabinet. On Monday morning, resignations at more junior levels began as MPs attempted to force a change in leadership.

Despite the flood of resignations and criticism, Corbyn has insisted he will not step down and will stand in any future leadership contest.

Fighting back against the attempted coup, Corbyn has promoted allies including Clive Lewis, Kate Osamor and Cat Smith."

http://tinyurl.com/jt2vu8s

[L.A.]

It's ironic that just at the time we need a sharp united opposition we have that useless sod pretending to be Stalin.

[Nearly Sane]

I would have thought that the major campaign we have just gone through would have allowed some of these Shadow Cabinet ministers a chance to step up and campaign and make a name for themselves. Who is Yvonne Forvargue and is she an actual person? Or can we just be told of resignations of made up people now?

[Ricky Spanish]

Really... although to be fair it comes as no great surprise that the Thatcher loving/Tory coloured Blairite MPs, who have been sniping and attempting to undermining Jeremy Corbyn ever since he became party leader are now trying to oust him.

But you are right in your observation LA - What's astonishing is that they have chosen this moment, which calls for a time for unity and clear-headedness, to launch such an attempt.. WTF's wrong with these Blairite twats?

Ohh they all keep bleating on about needing a more charismatic leader, not like the Miliband or Brown, but their hero Tory Blair.

But have you noticed they haven't put forward an alternative candidate for the job?

More importantly they have no significant support among the Labour party membership who elected Corbyn in the first place.
 
This attempt to oust Corbyn right now reads like a childish attempt at bullying, at a time when their constituents and country desperately need them to think bigger and better.

[jeremyp]

Here's a question:

How much  of Labour's lacklustre Remain campaign was actually down to Corbyn and how much was down to the media just ignoring Labour because the Tory in-fighting was a better story?