Red on Red, Labour implode

[wigginhall]

Well, the Brownites and Blairites are trying to avoid a leadership contest, as they would probably lose.   The vote seems meaningless to me, since everybody knew that the plp doesn't like Corbyn.   I suppose the argument is about whether MPs should choose the leader or the membership.  Also of course, the left/right split.

[Jack Knave]

Although Corbyn has lost the no confidence vote, 172 to 40 with 4 abstentions, he is still refusing to resign!

It's a fight to the death now and as with most wars no one is really a winner.

And what are they fighting for? Neither of them are electable. Corbyn is a given in this respect and the rest are yesterdays news. Their voters have moved on because they haven't been listened to, and I can't see how the middle ground lot saying what their voters want to hear will actually get them anywhere now due to a lose of trust in them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's a fight to the death now and as with most wars no one is really a winner.

And what are they fighting for? Neither of them are electable. Corbyn is a given in this respect and the rest are yesterdays news. Their voters have moved on because they haven't been listened to, and I can't see how the middle ground lot saying what their voters want to hear will actually get them anywhere now due to a lose of trust in them.

I notice though that Nigel Farage today made what was possibly a mistake in suggesting that the only people who should be listened to were business leaders. If you are saying that he is the darling of the dispossessed what is it that suggests he actually gives validity to what they sat and who they are?

[Udayana]

Angela Eagle will challenge. It's time for Corbyn to show his quality. If he can't convince his party MPs to follow, they should just leave and form a new one.

[wigginhall]

Man up, Hilary!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Man up, Hilary!

I guess had I been in Corbyns cabinet I would have bailed out yesterday.....and would have buyers remorse today since it is clear that those anticorbynist C***ts K*******g and J**n Penis from the B*C are trying to fit his demise into their schedule. On that score alone I'd hold on just to destabilise their accepted privileges.

In a world where people are being C***nts and being feted for it why not? Go Jezzer.

[Jack Knave]

I notice though that Nigel Farage today made what was possibly a mistake in suggesting that the only people who should be listened to were business leaders. If you are saying that he is the darling of the dispossessed what is it that suggests he actually gives validity to what they sat and who they are?

I would need a link to it to comment on such things.

[Jack Knave]

Angela Eagle will challenge. It's time for Corbyn to show his quality. If he can't convince his party MPs to follow, they should just leave and form a new one.

They can't where would they get their funding. They would have to develop a whole new structure etc.

[Nearly Sane]

The only party that stands for all British people, divisive nationalists excluded.

green Party?

[L.A.]

Well, the Brownites and Blairites are trying to avoid a leadership contest, as they would probably lose.   The vote seems meaningless to me, since everybody knew that the plp doesn't like Corbyn.   I suppose the argument is about whether MPs should choose the leader or the membership.  Also of course, the left/right split.

172 out of Labours 212 MPs have no confidence in him - how can anyone lead under those circumstances.

The guy lives in a different world.

[jakswan]

green Party?

No idea what their policy is.

[Brownie]

I notice though that Nigel Farage today made what was possibly a mistake in suggesting that the only people who should be listened to were business leaders. If you are saying that he is the darling of the dispossessed what is it that suggests he actually gives validity to what they sat and who they are?

The 'dispossessed', yes, but also some extremely well off but largely uneducated people who have made a pile in business such as construction or taxi firms.  Think Essex.

[Nearly Sane]

I see that one of the people appointed to the Shadow Cabinet on Monday has resigned.

[L.A.]

No idea what their policy is.

I suppose it's good of Labour to provide us with a bit of light relief while there so much serious stuff going on.

[jeremyp]

172 out of Labours 212 MPs have no confidence in him - how can anyone lead under those circumstances.

The guy lives in a different world.

He should resign and stand for election again. He'll win again for the same reasons as before except with a bigger majority because the Labour rank and file will be even more shocked at the shenanigans going on in the PLP. He will then have a purge of the PLP and Labour will be unelectable for a decade.

Oh, right, he should just resign.

[L.A.]

He should resign and stand for election again. He'll win again for the same reasons as before except with a bigger majority because the Labour rank and file will be even more shocked at the shenanigans going on in the PLP. He will then have a purge of the PLP and Labour will be unelectable for a decade.

Oh, right, he should just resign.

I think all but the hardest of hard left supporters have given-up on the git.

[L.A.]

Even Cameron is getting in on the act:

"David Cameron to Jeremy Corbyn: For heaven's sake, go"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36663181

[floo]

I think Corbyn will stick it out until someone else is elected. He obviously can't see how damaging his intransigence is to his party.

[L.A.]

Cameron was remarkably honest when he said:

"It might be in my party's interest for him to sit there; it's not in the national interest"

[floo]

Cameron was remarkably honest when he said:

"It might be in my party's interest for him to sit there; it's not in the national interest"

I thought that was a brilliant remark, and so true.

[jakswan]

Corbyn has done this for years whilst I disagree with his politics he has stood for his ideals for years in the abyss, he isn't going to go now when he stands to win what he see's as everything. Given that the Labour party is now full of socialists there is no way he is going to lose.

The only play for the PLP is to declare UDI.

[wigginhall]

Labour is historically a coalition between unions, membership and MPs.   Blair downgraded the unions, and the MPs want to downgrade the membership, which Corbyn relies on, so there is a kind of civil war.   I think also the Blair/Brownites fear deselection if there is a general election, and are getting in their retaliation first.

[L.A.]

Corbyn has done this for years whilst I disagree with his politics he has stood for his ideals for years in the abyss, he isn't going to go now when he stands to win what he see's as everything. Given that the Labour party is now full of socialists there is no way he is going to lose.

The only play for the PLP is to declare UDI.

It is very difficult to get inside the head of someone like that.  How does he imagine anything good is going to come out of his ridiculous stand? He has just paralysed the whole party.

If the party don't get rid of Corbyn it will be very bad news for Labour.

[L.A.]

Labour is historically a coalition between unions, membership and MPs.   Blair downgraded the unions, and the MPs want to downgrade the membership, which Corbyn relies on, so there is a kind of civil war.   I think also the Blair/Brownites fear deselection if there is a general election, and are getting in their retaliation first.

A Labour party of just Corbynisters would would be so irrelevant that they might even be eclipsed by another party of the right. I thing that is what UKIP are have in mind.

[Bubbles]

David Cameron tells Jeremy Corbyn to go, it's not in the countries interest for him to fight to stay like this.

I've got to say I think David Cameron is right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36661200