Red on Red, Labour implode

[Jack Knave]

Corbyn is the spectre leading Labour into total oblivion,  who knows what will  replace them!

As my post indicated I think they will split. Corbyn and co. will fizzle out and the other lot will be like the LibDems, not dead but smelling funny as they ebb and flow from the political picture.

[Nearly Sane]

Its time for the Parliamentary parties to decide and up-to us to decide to support them.

and how would we do that. Surely we need the govt to tell us what they are intending and hold an election with other parties presenting what they will do.

[Nearly Sane]

As my post indicated I think they will split. Corbyn and co. will fizzle out and the other lot will be like the LibDems, not dead but smelling funny as they ebb and flow from the political picture.

You just mean ebb, not flow

[Jack Knave]

You just mean ebb, not flow

I said like the LibDems. So that's ebbed for years and then a slow flow that peaks for 5 minutes before it washes quickly back to the ebbed position.

[jeremyp]

The EEA status is not leaving the EU.

Yes it is.

You are still associated with it in some manner. Leave means leave, and total divorce from the EU's political project.

When we put in article 50 we will be leaving. The nature of our relationship with the EU afterwards has yet to be decided.

What the Leave result has done, even if it doesn't get us fully out, is to inspire other referendums on the EU with the EU membership.

You say that like it's a good thing.

[Hope]

The EEA status is not leaving the EU.

Well, since there are EEA countries who are not members of the EU, and we have voted to leave the EU - it would seem logical to assume that EEA membership doesn't assume EU membership.

[Jack Knave]

Yes it is.

No it is not. It is a deceitful argument presented by the whinging, poor losers, Remainers to stay in the EU's clutches.

When we put in article 50 we will be leaving. The nature of our relationship with the EU afterwards has yet to be decided.

But a requisite for that is that we have nothing to do with the EU's political project whatsoever. Most of the discussion will be economic, nothing else.

You say that like it's a good thing.

                                      

[Jack Knave]

Well, since there are EEA countries who are not members of the EU, and we have voted to leave the EU - it would seem logical to assume that EEA membership doesn't assume EU membership.

But they are subject to the four founding principles of the Treaty of Rome so technically they are part of the EU, that is, the political project.

[jeremyp]

No it is not. It is a deceitful argument presented by the whinging, poor losers, Remainers to stay in the EU's clutches.

Wrong. Its is a matter of undeniable fact that Norway is not in the EU.

I sense desperation and denial on your part now that we are faced with the reality of your stupidity and your esteemed - I mean steaming - leader has deserted you.

[Jack Knave]

Wrong. Its is a matter of undeniable fact that Norway is not in the EU.

I sense desperation and denial on your part now that we are faced with the reality of your stupidity and your esteemed - I mean steaming - leader has deserted you.

You have got me all wrong, I'm not desperate or in denial. What I say is correct, however, what we end up with is another question. The remainers are trying to trick the leavers that that is a fulfilment of their wishes and it is not.

[jeremyp]

You have got me all wrong, I'm not desperate or in denial.

You certainly come across as if you are. Why else are you denying matters of fact?

[jeremyp]

The remainers are trying to trick the leavers that that is a fulfilment of their wishes and it is not.

What are the wishes of the Leavers. It seems we have a spectrum of views from the Norway solution to full isolationism.

[Jack Knave]

You certainly come across as if you are. Why else are you denying matters of fact?

You're the one doing that!!!

As Farage told the EP, they are all in denial - the ship is sinking!!!

[Jack Knave]

What are the wishes of the Leavers. It seems we have a spectrum of views from the Norway solution to full isolationism.

I've already told you lot that leave means leave : out is out. It doesn't include EEA or any other arrangement like that. Leave means fully out of the EU's political project.

[jeremyp]

I've already told you lot that leave means leave : out is out.

Indeed, but you are under a misapprehension about what leaving the EU is.

It doesn't include EEA or any other arrangement like that.

Yes it does. Norway is not in the EU. End of.

So we have a spectrum of possible deals. We could have a Norway type deal, or a Switzerland type deal, or total isolationism or anything in between. These are all alternatives that fulfil the criterion of not being in the EU and none of your frothing at the mouth changes those facts.

[Jack Knave]

Indeed, but you are under a misapprehension about what leaving the EU is.

Yes it does. Norway is not in the EU. End of.

So we have a spectrum of possible deals. We could have a Norway type deal, or a Switzerland type deal, or total isolationism or anything in between. These are all alternatives that fulfil the criterion of not being in the EU and none of your frothing at the mouth changes those facts.

Technically I am right, end of.

[jeremyp]

Technically I am right, end of.

Technically and actually you are wrong.

Here is a list of the EU member states.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm

Do you see Norway there?

No you don't. You are wrong.

[Jack Knave]

Technically and actually you are wrong.

Here is a list of the EU member states.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm

Do you see Norway there?

No you don't. You are wrong.

Look at the bigger picture they are there in the system in some way. Being out is like the way the US, Canada, Australia, India, China and so on are out. That is Out!!! There is no other way.

[Nearly Sane]

Look at the bigger picture they are there in the system in some way. Being out is like the way the US, Canada, Australia, India, China and so on are out. That is Out!!! There is no other way.

which is irrelevant to the phrasing and positioning of the referendum. Especially the argument by exclamation marks you are using.

[Jack Knave]

which is irrelevant to the phrasing and positioning of the referendum. Especially the argument by exclamation marks you are using.

Once again you are going to have to be more specific about what you mean. I'm not going to answer to my guesswork as to what you are trying to say.

[Nearly Sane]

Once again you are going to have to be more specific about what you mean. I'm not going to answer to my guesswork as to what you are trying to say.

The phrasing of the referendum and the campaigning of many on the Leave side covers Norway as out.


And simply putting a lot of exclamation marks at the end of a sentence is not an argument.

[jeremyp]

Look at the bigger picture they are there in the system in some way. Being out is like the way the US, Canada, Australia, India, China and so on are out. That is Out!!! There is no other way.

Norway is out.

[Jack Knave]

The phrasing of the referendum and the campaigning of many on the Leave side covers Norway as out.

Again, you're going to have to qualify that with an explication!!!

What phrasing?

Being on the Leavers side is not a qualification to being the official and correct assessment on things. Only those who have been long term anti-EUers are, and more pertinently those of UKIP.

[Jack Knave]

Indeed, but you are under a misapprehension about what leaving the EU is.

Yes it does. Norway is not in the EU. End of.

So we have a spectrum of possible deals. We could have a Norway type deal, or a Switzerland type deal, or total isolationism or anything in between. These are all alternatives that fulfil the criterion of not being in the EU and none of your frothing at the mouth changes those facts.

The only out there is is the way that the rest of the world is out, such as India and China.

[Nearly Sane]

Again, you're going to have to qualify that with an explication!!!

What phrasing?

Being on the Leavers side is not a qualification to being the official and correct assessment on things. Only those who have been long term anti-EUers are, and more pertinently those of UKIP.

Please cite the source that makes only these people able to be the 'official' and correct assessment in things!

Please explain what you mean by 'official'


Note the wording of the official referendum  indicates you are officially wrong.