Red on Red, Labour implode

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jackie,

True leavers from the Church of Farage

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Jackie,

True leavers  from the Church of Farage

Gonnagle.

That's right, the only ones who have the pure faith of freedom...

"Come out of her my people, so you will not share in her despotism, so you will not receive any of her bankruptcies; for her errors are piled up to the sky's and history will remember her desolations."

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Jackie,

True leavers from the Church of Farage

Gonnagle.

he's a cult

[Aruntraveller]

That's right, the only ones who have the pure faith of freedom...

"Come out of her my people, so you will not share in her despotism, so you will not receive any of her bankruptcies; for her errors are piled up to the sky's and history will remember her desolations."

You are bonkers.

[Jack Knave]

You are bonkers.

Said the madman. 

[Aruntraveller]

Freedom to be poorer. Great achievement. Really terrific. Well done you.

Still as some millionaire said "It's a price worth paying" Friend of the people indeed. 

[jeremyp]

The stupid Remainers may have been talking about it but the true Leavers weren't, they were talking about full exit.

We will fully exit. What we do after that is up for grabs. Norway is fully not in the EU.

[Jack Knave]

Freedom to be poorer. Great achievement. Really terrific. Well done you.

You are talking as if it is a fact, an actuality; only the insane do that.

[Jack Knave]

We will fully exit. What we do after that is up for grabs. Norway is fully not in the EU.

Norway is still partially in the EU and subject to its madness, such as free movement.

Anyway there's an existential crisis going on in the EU caused by our referendum. The knives are coming out for 'Caesar'.

[Aruntraveller]

You are talking as if it is a fact, an actuality; only the insane do that.

Nope - only the insane believe in the Church of Saint Nigel.

[Udayana]

Norway is still partially in the EU and subject to its madness, such as free movement.

Anyway there's an existential crisis going on in the EU caused by our referendum. The knives are coming out for 'Caesar'.

Some of the nationalist groups may be exercised, but I think the trend, as found by various polls, is that having seen what is happening in the UK -  support for continued membership of the EU is rising in the continent.

[Jack Knave]

Nope - only the insane believe in the Church of Saint Nigel.

This is just the bitterness of a loser. You lost, suck on it.

[ProfessorDavey]

This is just the bitterness of a loser. You lost, suck on it.

The future of our country isn't some silly game JK in which you win or lose.

We need now to get out of the awful mess that the referendum has created in a manner that is in the best interests of the British people, which means minimising the damage caused.

[Jack Knave]

Some of the nationalist groups may be exercised, but I think the trend, as found by various polls, is that having seen what is happening in the UK -  support for continued membership of the EU is rising in the continent.

That is not the issue anymore. The fundamental dilemma for the EU now is what form should the EU take - a radical foundational overhaul is needed and being asked for.

So how can we be even partially associated with the present EU format when it is on the verge of morphing into god knows what?

[Aruntraveller]

That is not the issue anymore. The fundamental dilemma for the EU now is what form should the EU take - a radical foundational overhaul is needed and being asked for.

So how can we be even partially associated with the present EU format when it is on the verge of morphing into god knows what?

You clearly have lost the plot if you think some sort of understanding is not going to be reached with the EU - which I suspect will include elements of the 4 pillars. Anything else and we all lose badly. And I don't want our nations to lose anymore than they can possibly avoid.

[Jack Knave]

The future of our country isn't some silly game JK in which you win or lose.

I know, which is why I'm not treating it like a game.

We need now to get out of the awful mess that the referendum has created in a manner that is in the best interests of the British people, which means minimising the damage caused.

But this is the laughable part - your assessment of the situation. Like some silly little child that has lost its crummy poxy toy and crying as if the world has ended. Grow up and move on to something bigger and better.

[wigginhall]

An amusing comment doing the rounds: everyone who has fucked up, has fucked off.   Not quite everyone.

[Jack Knave]

You clearly have lost the plot if you think some sort of understanding is not going to be reached with the EU - which I suspect will include elements of the 4 pillars. Anything else and we all lose badly. And I don't want our nations to lose anymore than they can possibly avoid.

The understanding that should be reached should be one where we trade with the EU as the rest of the globe do - not part in anyway with the EU's political project and the stupid Treaties.

[Jack Knave]

An amusing comment doing the rounds: everyone who has fucked up, has fucked off.   Not quite everyone.

Wigginhall, you may think you're god and that your judgement is absolute but I am sorry to have to break it to you but your perspective is just that, relative. And with this it has its confirmation bias. 

[ProfessorDavey]

I know, which is why I'm not treating it like a game.

On the contrary, you statement:

'This is just the bitterness of a loser. You lost, suck on it.' indicates most ably that you consider it a game of 'winners' and 'losers'.

[Udayana]

That is not the issue anymore. The fundamental dilemma for the EU now is what form should the EU take - a radical foundational overhaul is needed and being asked for.

So how can we be even partially associated with the present EU format when it is on the verge of morphing into god knows what?

It must and will reform and change. Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands and Germany need to drive this in opposition to the Junker/Holland direction. But I agree it's not clear how it will end up.

[ProfessorDavey]

But this is the laughable part - your assessment of the situation. Like some silly little child that has lost its crummy poxy toy and crying as if the world has ended. Grow up and move on to something bigger and better.

Are you really trying to argue that everything is hunky-dory and rosy in the UK right now. We have no government with any authority, we have an opposition which has imploded, we are seeing the predicted negative economic effects of brexit materialising before our very eyes, we are seeing increases in xenophobic hate crime, there is a clear existential threat to the very existence of the UK, on the basis of a likely second referendum on Scottish independence. Plus there are other very direct effects that are hitting my professional world personally that I won't bore you with.

But like your leave 'leaders' Johnson, Gove and Farage you have created the mess and then are shuffling off the stage denying that you have any responsibility for the crisis created. It is you that needs to grow up and accept that as an instrument for the crisis you hold some level of responsibility for what happens. Currently it seems that those who will be left to pick up the pieces (assuming a May victory) will all be those that weren't responsible in the first place.

[Jack Knave]

On the contrary, you statement:

'This is just the bitterness of a loser. You lost, suck on it.' indicates most ably that you consider it a game of 'winners' and 'losers'.

That was in reference to you not the new situation the UK finds itself in. In other words stop your whinging.

[Aruntraveller]

That was in reference to you not the new situation the UK finds itself in. In other words stop your whinging.

I thought it was me you were referring to. But hey, why would I expect you to follow an argument in any kind of logical manner. As PD has pointed out more ably than I can - it's a fucking mess and those most responsible have all fucked off.

Leavers in every sense of the word.

[wigginhall]

Wigginhall, you may think you're god and that your judgement is absolute but I am sorry to have to break it to you but your perspective is just that, relative. And with this it has its confirmation bias. 

No, I am a simple horny handed son of the soil, who saw Boris, Gove, Cameron and Farage as minor deities, but alas they have gone down into the underworld, there to consult with the ferryman Charon, and their bank balances.   What japes.