Red on Red, Labour implode

[Jack Knave]

Norway is not in the EU. Look at the list of states in the EU, you will not find Norway on it.

And why do you characterise the ability to move freely taking jobs wherever you like as being madness? Surely a freer world is a better world.

Address what I said about how Norway is forced to obey the EU's political rules.

So if you are in favour of freedom as being a good thing, a better world, then you wouldn't mind if people/tramps just walked into your home at any time of day and kipped there for a couple months taking your food, using your bath and bed, and putting the heating on to suit themselves?

You are such a duplicitous, two faced git!!!

Yes, our stupidity (your stupidity - I keep forgetting I voted against the idiocy) is in danger of destroying the greatest project of cooperation between sovereign states there has ever been. They're not going to thank us for that.

The EU is great in the same way the USSR was great - dead.

[Jack Knave]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36773355

What chance of any sort of settlement in the Labour Party now violence has broken out between the factions. We've never seen anything like this in recent times.

I don't think either side wants a settlement each is fighting for the Labour brand.

[ProfessorDavey]

Address what I said about how Norway is forced to obey the EU's political rules.

So what - the referendum didn't ask about what rules we might or might not follow - it asked whether we should remain a member of the EU or leave the EU.

If we end up like Norway we will have left the EU, the mandate for leaving the EU will have been fulfilled.

[SqueakyVoice]

So if you are in favour of freedom as being a good thing, a better world, then you wouldn't mind if people/tramps just walked into your home at any time of day and kipped there for a couple months taking your food, using your bath and bed, and putting the heating on to suit themselves?

You are such a duplicitous, two faced git!!!

Jeremy,

You know that expression,  "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."?

This is exactly the sort of situation it refers to.

[Nearly Sane]

Impressive piece of gerrymandering by the NEC to screw Corbyn.

[Nearly Sane]

Of course

http://evolvepolitics.com/angela-eagle-may-pull-leadership-race-corbyn-ballot/

[jeremyp]

Address what I said about how Norway is forced to obey the EU's political rules.

That's what we have been telling you since this whole thing started. After we leave the EU we will still have to obey the rules unless we want to stop trading with them.

So if you are in favour of freedom as being a good thing, a better world, then you wouldn't mind if people/tramps just walked into your home at any time of day and kipped there for a couple months taking your food, using your bath and bed, and putting the heating on to suit themselves?

There clearly are limits on freedom, but being able to travel and work in a foreign country should not be one of them.

You are such a duplicitous, two faced git!!!

You're an stupid arsehole who seems to be happy with the destruction of the country that I love. You haven't got a fucking clue about what it is like to live in a diverse World of nation states that want to cooperate.

I hope you're happy with the unnecessary pain you've caused to lots of people.

[jeremyp]

Of course

http://evolvepolitics.com/angela-eagle-may-pull-leadership-race-corbyn-ballot/

How stupid are these people? Didn't it occur to any of them that, in a ballot of the party members, the result would be the same as last time?

[jakswan]

How stupid are these people? Didn't it occur to any of them that, in a ballot of the party members, the result would be the same as last time?

Yeah they are stupid that is what it is, all they need to do is get in touch with Jeremy cos he's like awesome and shit.

Don't think its a done deal, even in the PLP there are some from the hard left that have conceded.

Owen Smith on Twitter "I asked @jeremycorbyn 3 times if he was prepared to see our party split & worse, wanted it to. He offered no answer. In the same meeting, in response to the same question @johnmcdonnellMP shrugged his shoulders and said 'if that's what it takes'."

Its going to split just a battle of who owns the brand.

[jakswan]

John Macdonnel “They have been plotting and conniving,” Mr McDonnell can be heard saying in a video. “The only good thing about it is that, as plotters, they’re f***ing useless, "

Kinder politics my arse!

[Jack Knave]

So what - the referendum didn't ask about what rules we might or might not follow - it asked whether we should remain a member of the EU or leave the EU.

If we end up like Norway we will have left the EU, the mandate for leaving the EU will have been fulfilled.

No it would not because this is not what the people on the streets asked for and talked about, nor what they were offered in control of immigration by a points system, not paying into the EU or being subject to its political rules.

[Jack Knave]

That's what we have been telling you since this whole thing started. After we leave the EU we will still have to obey the rules unless we want to stop trading with them.

And I've explained why that isn't the case.

There clearly are limits on freedom, but being able to travel and work in a foreign country should not be one of them.

So you would be fine with strangers just walking into your home and living there then?

.....and so why do you say that? Who are you to dictate such terms?

You're an stupid arsehole who seems to be happy with the destruction of the country that I love. You haven't got a fucking clue about what it is like to live in a diverse World of nation states that want to cooperate.

I hope you're happy with the unnecessary pain you've caused to lots of people.

You do talk a load of crap. Who said anything about not cooperating? What destruction?

As for pain caused, you address that comment to the EU on how they have treated Greece.

[Hope]

And I've explained why that isn't the case.

Wrong JK.  You've tried to explain, but managed not to explain.  This is possibly because you aren't taking the experiences of other European countries who are in the same position we find ourselves moving towards, into account.

[Aruntraveller]

No it would not because this is not what the people on the streets asked for and talked about, nor what they were offered in control of immigration by a points system, not paying into the EU or being subject to its political rules.

What so all 17  million leavers interpreted the EU referendum in exactly the same way as you? Talked to them all did you?

How very convenient for your particular mindset.

[jeremyp]

No it would not because this is not what the people on the streets asked for and talked about

How do you know? All we know is that a slim majority of people who voted wanted to leave the EU. We don't know what their vision for the future is.

nor what they were offered in control of immigration by a points system, not paying into the EU or being subject to its political rules.

Nobody has offered anything yet. Maybe your friend and euro-leech Nigel Farage said something, but he is not in power, in fact he ran away.

[jeremyp]

And I've explained why that isn't the case.

It is the case. A trade deal involves both sides abiding by certain rules. Do you not want us to do a trade deal with the EU?

So you would be fine with strangers just walking into your home and living there then?

What's that got to do with anything? Seriously. What makes you think that is analogous to free movement of labour. Nobody is asking you to have immigrants in your house.

As for pain caused, you address that comment to the EU on how they have treated Greece.

The EU is not responsible for the pain that you have caused and will cause by your stupid vote for Little England.

[wigginhall]

Impressive piece of gerrymandering by the NEC to screw Corbyn.

Well, they're deselecting the membership. 

[Jack Knave]

Wrong JK.  You've tried to explain, but managed not to explain.  This is possibly because you aren't taking the experiences of other European countries who are in the same position we find ourselves moving towards, into account.

I'm talking about political rules and policy not trading rules.

[Hope]

I'm talking about political rules and policy not trading rules.

But we can't unilaterally declare the rules; they have to be agreed by both sides - hence they are both political and trading rules.

[Jack Knave]

What so all 17  million leavers interpreted the EU referendum in exactly the same way as you? Talked to them all did you?

How very convenient for your particular mindset.

They never talked about EEA, as many of the dumbasses wouldn't even know what that was, but they all knew about and heard about the immigration and control issues. It may not have been top of their list but they at least had heard this. All the points you lot are mentioning like EEA, soft Brexit and so on they never knew about - leave meant leave to them. And this is what the people asked for.

[Aruntraveller]

as many of the dumbasses

Such great respect you have for your fellow leavers......

[ProfessorDavey]

They never talked about EEA, as many of the dumbasses wouldn't even know what that was, but they all knew about and heard about the immigration and control issues. It may not have been top of their list but they at least had heard this. All the points you lot are mentioning like EEA, soft Brexit and so on they never knew about - leave meant leave to them. And this is what the people asked for.

I'm sorry - EEA - i.e. Norway as an example of a post Brexit settlement was mentioned extensively during the campaign. Sure it was only one of various possible settlements mentioned but to try to suggest no-one ever mentioned it as a potential post-brexit option is non-sense.

And you keep banging on about migration - while I accept it was a major theme of the non official UKIP leave.eu campaign it wasn't the major message from the official vote.leave campaign. Their clearly defining message (a lie, but defining nonetheless) was that leaving the EU would mean £350m extra for the NHS.

[Jack Knave]

What's that got to do with anything? Seriously. What makes you think that is analogous to free movement of labour. Nobody is asking you to have immigrants in your house.

It is analogous because this is my country and no foreigner should be allowed to just walk in here and use the facilities free of charge.

The EU is not responsible for the pain that you have caused and will cause by your stupid vote for Little England.

That wasn't your argument before, but that anything that causes pain and is detrimental to people should be avoided and not imposed on them. This is what the EU did to Greece. As you support the EU this makes you two faced!!!

[Jack Knave]

Well, they're deselecting the membership.

Wonder if there is a legal case there to get it overturned....?

[Jack Knave]

But we can't unilaterally declare the rules; they have to be agreed by both sides - hence they are both political and trading rules.

We trade with the US, what political rules do they impose on us say with our benefit system, or gun laws, or pollution levels or carbon/climate change policy?