Red on Red, Labour implode

[Jack Knave]

Such great respect you have for your fellow leavers......

That's true of most voters.....look at the bollocks talk up by the Remainers here. 

[Jack Knave]

I'm sorry - EEA - i.e. Norway as an example of a post Brexit settlement was mentioned extensively during the campaign. Sure it was only one of various possible settlements mentioned but to try to suggest no-one ever mentioned it as a potential post-brexit option is non-sense.

I'm not talking about the chat amongst the media bubble lot but the person in the street and audiences etc. Most wouldn't even understand the implication of things like EEA.

And you keep banging on about migration - while I accept it was a major theme of the non official UKIP leave.eu campaign it wasn't the major message from the official vote.leave campaign. Their clearly defining message (a lie, but defining nonetheless) was that leaving the EU would mean £350m extra for the NHS.

Now you are just lying!!!

The Vote.Leave lot took up Farage's point system for immigration. There was a big fanfare about this fact when it happened. They also talked about control and all that.

[ProfessorDavey]

Now you are just lying!!!

The Vote.Leave lot took up Farage's point system for immigration. There was a big fanfare about this fact when it happened. They also talked about control and all that.

So they put a message about migration on their battle bus then ... oh, nope that's wrong the message on the battle bus and on posters behind speakers at key events was all about extra money for the NHS. Without doubt that was the key defining message from the official leave campaign throughout.

[Jack Knave]

So they put a message about migration on their battle bus then ... oh, nope that's wrong the message on the battle bus and on posters behind speakers at key events was all about extra money for the NHS. Without doubt that was the key defining message from the official leave campaign throughout.

That was one of the messages and it came fairly late in the campaign iirc.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That was one of the messages and it came fairly late in the campaign iirc.

What will be on the side of the Brexit bus next?...........''Shit Happens''?

[ProfessorDavey]

That was one of the messages and it came fairly late in the campaign iirc.

Rubbish

The battle bus (and its £350m for the NHS slogan) was rolled out pretty well on day one of the campaign.

Actually the reality was that migration came late to the table in the campaign. The early part of the campaign was all about the economy on one side (we're dooooomed) and on what we would spend the fantasy £350m on on the other side.

Migration was hardly mentioned until after purdah, which was well into the campaign.

[ProfessorDavey]

What will be on the side of the Brexit bus next?...........''Shit Happens''?

Have you been injured by an accident that wasn't your fault ... if there's blame there's a claim - sue the sh*t out of Johnson, Farage, Gove & Leadsom (solicitors inc).

[Jack Knave]

Rubbish

The battle bus (and its £350m for the NHS slogan) was rolled out pretty well on day one of the campaign.

Actually the reality was that migration came late to the table in the campaign. The early part of the campaign was all about the economy on one side (we're dooooomed) and on what we would spend the fantasy £350m on on the other side.

Migration was hardly mentioned until after purdah, which was well into the campaign.

See, they kept the best till last like all good hosts.

[Jack Knave]

Have you been injured by an accident that wasn't your fault ... if there's blame there's a claim - sue the sh*t out of Johnson, Farage, Gove & Leadsom (solicitors inc).

The person to blame here is Cameron not them. Though strictly speaking the real culprit is the EU project.

[ProfessorDavey]

The person to blame here is Cameron not them. Though strictly speaking the real culprit is the EU project.

Blimey you are a humourless sod aren't you. I was actually only making a joke.

And yes Cameron is equally culpable in the 'crime' - we will all be paying a heavy price for the varying political vanities, poor judgment and extreme views of Messers Cameron, Johnson, Farage and Gove plus Mrs Leadsom.

I leave you to determine which of those people is guilt of poor judgment, which of political vanity and which of extreme views.

[Jack Knave]

Blimey you are a humourless sod aren't you. I was actually only making a joke.

And yes Cameron is equally culpable in the 'crime' - we will all be paying a heavy price for the varying political vanities, poor judgment and extreme views of Messers Cameron, Johnson, Farage and Gove plus Mrs Leadsom.

I leave you to determine which of those people is guilt of poor judgment, which of political vanity and which of extreme views.

Only Cameron is to blame here, with all the pro-EUers. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Only Cameron is to blame here, with all the pro-EUers. 

Leave crashed the car and tried to leave the scene.
Fortunately WPC May apprehended BoJo the Clown and Bellatrix Le Strange and they are now serving their community service.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Only Cameron is to blame here, with all the pro-EUers. 

When I saw the words ''Turkey Coup'' I thought ''yet another article on how Brexitters won the vote.''

[Jack Knave]

When I saw the words ''Turkey Coup'' I thought ''yet another article on how Brexitters won the vote.''

Yeap, only your warped mind could make that conspiracy link.

[jeremyp]

It is analogous because this is my country and no foreigner should be allowed to just walk in here and use the facilities free of charge.

The naked racism is exposed.

[Jack Knave]

The naked racism is exposed.

Once again, Jeremy, you show with clear clarity your ignorance of the real issues that face mankind by blinding yourself with words you have very little inkling of their meaning and scope. In essence you are way off the mark.

[ProfessorDavey]

It is analogous because this is my country and no foreigner should be allowed to just walk in here and use the facilities free of charge.

What even if they are also paying into the tax system in exactly the same manner as a UK national as they are working?

And do you accept the same restrictions the other way around. So I trust you have never benefited from free health care in other EU countries, for example when on holiday in France. That being an example of a situation where you wouldn't be working there and therefore would never have paid into the French tax system.

Or is it a case of lop sider jingoism - no Johnny foreigners using our facilities, but expecting that we can walk into a French or Spanish hospital on holiday following an accident and get free health care under the reciprocal EU system.

[jeremyp]

Once again, Jeremy, you show with clear clarity your ignorance of the real issues that face mankind by blinding yourself with words you have very little inkling of their meaning and scope. In essence you are way off the mark.

You have no clue and no answer.

The EU immigrants who come here, on average pay more to the exchequer than they take out. This is in contrast to the natives. Our population is ageing. We need immigrants.

[Bubbles]

You have no clue and no answer.

The EU immigrants who come here, on average pay more to the exchequer than they take out. This is in contrast to the natives. Our population is ageing. We need immigrants.

Are you an immigrant, Jeremy?

[ProfessorDavey]

Are you an immigrant, Jeremy?

Why on earth would you ask that.

You don't need to be an immigrant to recognise the benefits that migration brings to the UK.

[jeremyp]

Are you an immigrant, Jeremy?

Are you a racist?

[Bubbles]

Are you a racist?

No.

Now answer my question 

[Bubbles]

Why on earth would you ask that.

You don't need to be an immigrant to recognise the benefits that migration brings to the UK.

 Because it would explain why Jeremy is so cross about it.

Knowing what the P stands for in Jeremy P it is possible that the Brexit vote may actually feel quite threatening to him, not just that he doesn't agree with it.

Especially the implication by some racists in this country that 'foreigners" should go home etc.

Jeremy is so cross about it that I just wondered if he is worried that the whole Brexit thing is a threat to him and his family.

If so, I'd like to reassure him that as far as I'm am concerned he is very welcome here.

I may not have the same insecurity because I am more invisible with a British sounding name.

It occurs to me Jeremy may see the Brexit vote as being a vote against him and his family, and see it as an emerging threat.

Plus he might also relate more to the polish people who have come here and made successful life for themselves and Brexit has created all sorts of uncertainties.

It's important to point out that I am welcoming of Jeremy and his family being here.

It's just he is so angry about it, I feel there is more to it.

The question was asked because I thought it might be more helpful to bring it into the open and then perhaps we can reassure Jeremy and maybe help him if something unpleasant did go off.

Well at least we could talk about things, maybe someone might be able to help.

I could of course be completely wrong, but maybe Brexit and some of the implications of it have caused people with a foreign sounding name to feel a bit insecure.

I think we need to understand that, if it does, because we need to make sure they are ok.

🌹

[jeremyp]

No.

Now answer my question 

Why? If you are not a racist, my status as an immigrant or not would not matter to you.

[jeremyp]

Because it would explain why Jeremy is so cross about it.

And you don't think the fact that the British people (well,the English people) have done something unutterably stupid is enough to be angry about?

Jeremy is so cross about it that I just wondered if he is worried that the whole Brexit thing is a threat to him and his family.

I have a job that may go away if the economy tanks. I have young teenage relatives whose vista of opportunities have suddenly narrowed. When I go to Europe, which I do frequently, I now have to explain that I'm not a small minded Little Englander and neither are nearly half of my fellow countrymen.

Why isn't that enough to be angry about?