Red on Red, Labour implode

[Gonnagle]

Dear Hope,

Whilst I'd agree in principle, Gonners, one can'y invest if one hasn't got the money in the first place, and borrowing to invest isn't necessarily the cure-all some would like us to believe.

I am constantly told ( media, internet, papers, news ) that we are the fifth richest country in the world, add to that, if we scrap Trident ( a useless big stick ) we would have plenty of money to invest in what really matters, people for instance, education, a properly funded health service.

Gonnagle.

[Sebastian Toe]

Dear Hope,

I am constantly told ( media, internet, papers, news ) that we are the fifth richest country in the world, add to that, if we scrap Trident ( a useless big stick ) we would have plenty of money to invest in what really matters, people for instance, education, a properly funded health service.

Gonnagle.

..although if we use Trident to blow up Buckfast Abbey and it's production plant, then the pressure on health spending in the west of Scotland would fall dramatically! 

[BashfulAnthony]

There's a whole fistful of things we could save heaps of money on, and without compromising our defence:  stop bombing people, and then spending billions on re-constructing;  eliminating tax fraud and tax dodging  -  huge, that. Proper use of public money by eliminating waste, etc.

[jeremyp]

It was all-but finished off long before the argues over Brexit started in earnest.

Errr yes and my post makes the claim that it will no longer be "all but" finished off, it will be actually finished off.

[jeremyp]

There's a whole fistful of things we could save heaps of money on, and without compromising our defence:  stop bombing people, and then spending billions on re-constructing;  eliminating tax fraud and tax dodging  -  huge, that. Proper use of public money by eliminating waste, etc.

You make it sound so easy. Of that list, only stopping bombing people and reconstructing is actually easy. If it were so easy to eliminate tax fraud and waste, there wouldn't be any tax fraud and waste.

Oh, and if we stopped bombing people and then reconstructing, the people who make bombs and reconstruct would be out on the street. The reason to stop bombing people is because it kills them.

[BashfulAnthony]

The people in British companies that depend on steel as a raw material would love their steel to be much cheaper, especially if they manufacture products that compete with the products of other companies in countries that do allow cheap Chinese steel in. That's probably why the UK government vetoed EU attempts to stop the Chinese from dumping steel in EU countries.

Anybody who thinks Brexit will help us save the steel industry is deluded. This will probably finish it off.

It may, it may not.  Pure speculation;  unless you can suggest why it would be finished off.

[L.A.]

The people in British companies that depend on steel as a raw material would love their steel to be much cheaper, especially if they manufacture products that compete with the products of other companies in countries that do allow cheap Chinese steel in. That's probably why the UK government vetoed EU attempts to stop the Chinese from dumping steel in EU countries.

Anybody who thinks Brexit will help us save the steel industry is deluded. This will probably finish it off.

Generally users of steel would always like prices to be lower (who wouldn't), but if we open the door to countries like China 'dumping' their surplus steel on us, that would be likely to kill-off our own manufacturers (who can compete with steel that is sold for less than cost?) - so when China have got rid of there excess stock, prices will rise, and we will have lost the capacity to make our own.


Bad news for all UK industry.

[Hope]

There's a whole fistful of things we could save heaps of money on, and without compromising our defence:  stop bombing people, and then spending billions on re-constructing;  eliminating tax fraud and tax dodging  -  huge, that. Proper use of public money by eliminating waste, etc.

Not to mention the excessive amount of money spent on political hangers-on - even politicians in same cases - think about the attempts over the past 10-odd years to reduce the number of seats in the Commons or revamp the HoL.

[Jack Knave]

So no comments on Corbyn's re-election and what this means for Labour's future structure?

When Corbyn said he wants to wipe the slate clean I think he meant of all the centralists in the PLP.

One ray of hope for Labour is the Brexit divisions in the Tory party. As May starts to set some of the broad outlines of the negotiations things could hot up, and we have already seen glimmers of differing views from the players involved.

[L.A.]

So no comments on Corbyn's re-election and what this means for Labour's future structure?

When Corbyn said he wants to wipe the slate clean I think he meant of all the centralists in the PLP.

One ray of hope for Labour is the Brexit divisions in the Tory party. As May starts to set some of the broad outlines of the negotiations things could hot up, and we have already seen glimmers of differing views from the players involved.

I am sure that Corbyn's re-election will be a great relief to May - all she has to worry about now is clearing-up the mess that you lot created.

[Nearly Sane]

I am sure that Corbyn's re-election will be a great relief to May - all she has to worry about now is clearing-up the mess that you lot created.

Which she contributed to according to Cameron's press secretary. I don't Smith have been any better Labour. The first casualty of this may be Kezia Dugdale

[Jack Knave]

I am sure that Corbyn's re-election will be a great relief to May - all she has to worry about now is clearing-up the mess that you lot created.

Why is May pleased with Corbyn's re-election?

[Jack Knave]

Which she contributed to according to Cameron's press secretary. I don't Smith have been any better Labour. The first casualty of this may be Kezia Dugdale

And many more to follow!

Labour have turned into a Scooby Doo farce!!!

[Nearly Sane]

It appears no debate on Brexit at the Labour Party Conference, given anything you do will be seen in the light if Brexit, and their one small chance is to take a position that might split the Tories, think this is foolish

[L.A.]

Why is May pleased with Corbyn's re-election?

Because it's 1980 all over again and she's Maggie! (shame about that terrible Brexit mess that needs clearing-up)

[L.A.]

Which she contributed to according to Cameron's press secretary. I don't Smith have been any better Labour. The first casualty of this may be Kezia Dugdale

Who knows? whatever the truth May played her cards pretty well.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,



Sorry old son I just can't resist, all she has to worry about is Junior doctors, all she has to worry about is a NHS in crisis, all she has to worry about is Boris keeping his gob shut, all she has to worry about is staying in bed with the Yanks, all she has to worry about is not investing in areas which sorely need it, all she has to worry about is the SNP carrying out Camerons legacy, what she has to worry about is splits in her own party and finally, what she has to worry about is a country now watching her every move, brexit has sparked a new interest in politics, she has to be very careful or UKIP, Labour, SNP and the Greens will make gains from her mistakes, we do live in very interesting times.

What Mr Corbyn needs to do is just sit back, watch the Tories shoot themselves in the foot time and time again.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Because it's 1980 all over again and she's Maggie! (shame about that terrible Brexit mess that needs clearing-up)

1980 Maggie was screwed. The SDP contributed but it was the Falklands wot won it in 83. And that mess bseems in part her fault, though that's arguably true for Maggie and the Falklands.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Lapsed,



Sorry old son I just can't resist, all she has to worry about is Junior doctors, all she has to worry about is a NHS in crisis, all she has to worry about is Boris keeping his gob shut, all she has to worry about is staying in bed with the Yanks, all she has to worry about is not investing in areas which sorely need it, all she has to worry about is the SNP carrying out Camerons legacy, what she has to worry about is splits in her own party and finally, what she has to worry about is a country now watching her every move, brexit has sparked a new interest in politics, she has to be very careful or UKIP, Labour, SNP and the Greens will make gains from her mistakes, we do live in very interesting times.

What Mr Corbyn needs to do is just sit back, watch the Tories shoot themselves in the foot time and time again.

Gonnagle.

if Corbyn just sits back, he won't have a party

[Nearly Sane]

Who knows? whatever the truth May played her cards pretty well.

so if she did that to become PM you support that her personal ambition is more important than what you think will ruin the country.

[L.A.]

1980 Maggie was screwed. The SDP contributed but it was the Falklands wot won it in 83. And that mess bseems in part her fault, though that's arguably true for Maggie and the Falklands.

We may yet see SDP II - but Labour are buggered either way. The Brexit mud won't stick, it's just a bitter 'Has-Been' trying to cash in. She will stand or fall on how she handles Brexit.

We all need her to succeed.

[Nearly Sane]

We may yet see SDP II - but Labour are buggered either way. The Brexit mud won't stick, it's just a bitter 'Has-Been' trying to cash in. She will stand or fall on how she handles Brexit.

We all need her to succeed.

I am not dealing with whether the 'mud' will stick but anyone who saw the referendum saw that she was not there. If you think Corbyn should have domr more, then from a personal view surely that applies to May?

[L.A.]

so if she did that to become PM you support that her personal ambition is more important than what you think will ruin the country.

Whatever your perspective, you can't actually believe that she swung the vote for Leave! She simply had the political savvy to not to make enemies.

[L.A.]

I am not dealing with whether the 'mud' will stick but anyone who saw the referendum saw that she was not there. If you think Corbyn should have domr more, then from a personal view surely that applies to May?

Corbyn was the leader of the opposition for Gods sake! Assuming that he actually wanted a Remain vote, of course he should have been campaigning in a highly visible way. May was just a minister who did her bit.

[Nearly Sane]

Corbyn was the leader of the opposition for Gods sake! Assuming that he actually wanted a Remain vote, of course he should have been campaigning in a highly visible way. May was just a minister who did her bit.

it was a free vote from that view. He campaigned in a visible way. She didn't