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Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« on: June 26, 2016, 02:44:39 PM »
Worst case in a supermarket where someone made a call to get foreigners to fuck off from England and people were quizzed about their nationality.

Polish targeted.

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Re: Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 02:50:20 PM »
Apparently two East Europeans were asked by a shop assistant whether they needed help packing their bags.  Not sure how they took the comment, but the other customers who heard it broke out into a somewhat embarrased laughter.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 03:00:55 PM »
Oh that is really horrible, snide (unless the shopkeeper was genuinely asking if they needed help packing, which does happen in big supermarkets).  How stupid and ignorant of those people to laugh, even in an embarrassed way.  Makes me feel really embarrassed, I want to go and live in a cave.

As for what Vlad posted about the 'eff off' comments in the supermarket, it's quite disgusting.
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Re: Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 03:43:36 PM »
I have posted elsewhere about this but partner and I went to IKEA in Kimberley nr Nottingham on Friday and then had an amble around the town centre - the atmosphere was different.
Partner who is Asian felt most uncomfortable with what he has always referred to as 'The Look'. When he muttered that I started to pay attention and there was a definite difference.

My knotted stomach tells me there are hard, nasty times ahead.

Also a woman who works in the care home my Mum lives in went to get milk for the care home from the local shop and was told by a toothless 50 yr old that the borders were shut and that she should fuck off back to where she came from. She was bewildered as although she is black - she was born in Nottingham and lived in St Anns all her life.

Oh Brexiteers just look at the company you keep.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 03:47:34 PM by Trentvoyager »
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 03:54:14 PM »
Trent, that is deeply disturbing.   I live a few miles from Eltham which you may have heard of because there was a high profile murder there many years ago - Stephen Lawrence.  It has a decent high street and one end of Eltham is still very pleasant.  However the area nearer to Eltham Station is a bit of a no-go area.  I remember having to go to Eltham Station on the way home from work one day because of train cancellations on my line and when I was walking out of the station I heard puerile racist remarks and jokes made at the expense of a couple of ladies in saris - one of the stupid remarks was made by a little girl, a child of about nine!  It was quite an eye opener.  I'd heard it was like that around there (the NF and BNP used to march through the high street every now and again), but hadn't witnessed it.

Another thing that happened was in my local Sainsbury a few years ago, in leafy Chislehurst.  There were a couple of Muslim boys, wearing traditional dress (their school uniform), who were pupils at the Islamic boarding school.  A quite smart, pleasant looking grey haired middle class lady went up to them and asked what went on at their school because people needed to know.  They were only about 12 or 13!  They didn't know what to say.  Then she turned to me, as if I was of like mind, and said the same to me.  I was totally gobsmacked and asked her how she'd feel if one of her kids or grandchildren was accosted by someone on their way back from Sunday school

I really hate that sort of thing Trent but it isn't anything new, it has always been the way and is worse in some areas than others.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 04:06:40 PM »
Apparently two East Europeans were asked by a shop assistant whether they needed help packing their bags.  Not sure how they took the comment, but the other customers who heard it broke out into a somewhat embarrased laughter.

I get asked that every time I go to a supermarket   ::)

It sounds like the press making something out of nothing to me.

Ok someone laughed.

Laughing and taking something the wrong way ( playing on words) isn't a crime yet.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 04:08:47 PM by Rose »

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 04:10:09 PM »
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I really hate that sort of thing Trent but it isn't anything new, it has always been the way and is worse in some areas than others.


I know it's not new - but it feels different. And that is a very difficult thing to explain, unless you experience it, because it is so nebulous and difficult to gauge in terms of what is actually going on.

But - I would put money on an upsurge of racist incidents as a result of this outcome.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 04:12:06 PM »
I think you are right Trent.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 04:12:52 PM »
I haven't noticed anything yet and some of the people I know and work with come from various ethnic groups.
I'll keep my eyes and ears  open though.

Everything seems as it was.

You sure this isn't just a smear campaign against people who voted leave?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 04:15:55 PM by Rose »

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 04:15:03 PM »
Oh that is really horrible, snide (unless the shopkeeper was genuinely asking if they needed help packing, which does happen in big supermarkets).  How stupid and ignorant of those people to laugh, even in an embarrassed way.  Makes me feel really embarrassed, I want to go and live in a cave.

As for what Vlad posted about the 'eff off' comments in the supermarket, it's quite disgusting.
Hi Brownie, it was at a supermarket so the check-out assistant simply asked what she asked every customer.  Not sure that she realised the significance - it apparently happened some time late Friday morning.  One of my mates was in the shop at the time.
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Re: Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 04:16:58 PM »
I haven't noticed anything yet and some of the people I know and work with come from various ethnic groups.
I'll keep my eyes and ears  open though.

Everything seems as it was.

You sure this isn't just a smear campaign against people who voted leave?

Presumably you think my partner and I are either lying or mistaken. Thanks Rose.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2016, 04:25:18 PM »
Any one who knows Cardiff will have heard of Butetown.  Its in the docks area and had a predominantly Somali population for many years before the gentrification and modernisation of the Bay area.  It now has a more diverse population, but still largely immigrant - many unemployed.  On Friday afternoon, I was walking through the area on my way back to Cardiff Central Rail Station from work in County Hall in the Bay.  I came across 3 lads in their mid-twenties who asked me which way I'd voted 'yesterday'.  I answered by saying that I felt that the result had been a disaster - without actually saying which I had voted, lest it get heated.  Instead, what ensued was a wonderful conversation between a middle-aged white bloke, a Somali , an Iraqi and a Yemeni.  I felt so much more comfortable (and encouraged by their ability to talk sensibly) having that discussion than I would have felt had it been with 3 white lads of the same age in the neighbouring area of Grangetown.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2016, 04:32:55 PM »
The Brexit stance has encouraged some very unpleasant racism, which doesn't show Britain up in a good light.

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Re: Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 04:35:52 PM »
Here you go Rose. Make your own mind up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075?745i5vqfvfs35l8fr

Then you might reconsider your accusation.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 04:47:47 PM »
Presumably you think my partner and I are either lying or mistaken. Thanks Rose.

No I don't.

Racism happens without Brexit.

Plus I think the uncertainty of what is going to happen is also felt by Europeans established here plus those of a different ethnic background.

It makes people insecure.

Also if people are feeling vunerable because of all this uncertainty a look can be taken in a way that it wouldn't have been before Brexit.


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Re: Racist incidents going of in England and Wales
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2016, 04:51:08 PM »
Racism happens without Brexit.
That is true, Rose, but the last few weeks seems to have seen a greater number of incidents than previously.  Whether it is merely Brexist, or in response to irresponsible media coverage of last year's refugee crisis - or something else, I haven't been able to trace.
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2016, 04:52:38 PM »
No I don't.

Racism happens without Brexit.

Plus I think the uncertainty of what is going to happen is also felt by Europeans established here plus those of a different ethnic background.

It makes people insecure.

Also if people are feeling vunerable because of all this uncertainty a look can be taken in a way that it wouldn't have been before Brexit.

I refer you to the Huff post link. You are incorrect. It is linked.
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2016, 05:09:12 PM »
Here you go Rose. Make your own mind up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075?745i5vqfvfs35l8fr

Then you might reconsider your accusation.

I'm not about to label all "leave" supporters as racists.

Which appears to be what you are implying.

Racists have always existed in the uk.

it would be better to get together with the leave campaigners to fight racism, just like we would before the issue of Brexit.

Labelling Brexit supporters as racists and blaming them for incidences isn't going to help anyone.

The hatred from the remain supporters,  towards the leave supporters is scary IMO.

Making racist comments is against the law, racists need to realise that.

Hatred and scapegoating people because they voted leave, is as nasty and undesirable as racism, IMO.

If I hear racism I will report it.

If I hear hatred towards a group of people purely because they voted for leave, I will see that in the same light as an act of racism and just as contemptible.

This country is in for a bumpy ride because there are too many divisions, and hatred in it ATM.

That's coming from a whole variety of sources.





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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2016, 05:12:52 PM »
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Which appears to be what you are implying.

Please withdraw that - I never said nor implied that. I asked Brexiteers to look at the company they keep.

If I have a friend who hangs around with thieves - I would ask him to be careful over what he gets involved in.

On a larger scale that applies to leavers.

Have you looked at the link yet. Real blood, real people. NICE.

To put it another way:

Not all leavers are racist - but all racists are leavers.
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2016, 05:22:53 PM »
I agree with Trent that not all leavers are racist but all racists are leavers.  I also believe that it isn't always easy for people to see and hear subtle racist talk or attitude if they are not affected;  it is exactly the same with Jewish people who talk about the rise of antisemitism.  They pick up on it, non Jewish people frequently don't.  I've even come across it with Catholics, particularly on forums, who know people are being anti-Catholic but other non-Catholics can't see it (despite it sometimes being blooming obvious!).

Yes there has always been racism, bigotry of all kinds, but I accept that it has changed recently, as the referendum date grew nearer it was palpable.

I didn't realise that Hope knew the people involved in the supermarket incident and it sounds as though the assistant was saying what is usually said to customers and the onlookers giggled inappropriately.  (Yes, Hope, I know Cardiff and Bute town, I lived there for six months in the 1970s and liked it, cosmopolitan and easy going.)

Trent, Rose isn't accusing you or your partner of lying, she just doesn't see things in quite the same way.  We can't stand in someone else's shoes.
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2016, 05:07:51 PM »
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/27/what-can-you-do-to-help-stop-this-new-wave-of-racism-5968775/

Seems there is.

Even a Polish child ending up with a laminated note saying " Polish vermin go home"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36643786

My apologies Trent.
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2016, 08:26:59 PM »
Acceped Rose :)
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2016, 09:42:33 PM »
57% increase over the last 4 days, compared with the same 4 days of last year.  However, only 85 cases reported in that time slot.
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2016, 11:29:20 PM »
57% increase over the last 4 days, compared with the same 4 days of last year.  However, only 85 cases reported in that time slot.

http://gu.com/p/4mm35

That's 85 people insulted about the colour of their skin, the clothes they're wearing or for visiting a place of worship.  That's 85 areas abused with cards saying "No polish vermin" and "Muslims must leave this city or die".

That's 85 hate crimes against our fellow human beings. There's no "only" about it. It's 85 too many.
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