Sanctifying the Brexiter

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Duncan Smith says that the prime minister must be a Brexiter!!!!

That must be the most right wing ubermensch bollocks of this affair.
Never mind political competence they must be ''Pure''.
And talking of political competence what could demonstrate a complete lack of that than being a brexiter?

[Nearly Sane]

Duncan Smith says that the prime minister must be a Brexiter!!!!

That must be the most right wing ubermensch bollocks of this affair.
Never mind political competence they must be ''Pure''.
And talking of political competence what could demonstrate a complete lack of that than being a brexiter?

Isn't your post self contradictory since it takes the position that to lead competently you have to be A Remainer which is what you are castigating IDS for?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Isn't your post self contradictory since it takes the position that to lead competently you have to be A Remainer which is what you are castigating IDS for?

Ordinarily I would agree but at the moment the evidence is that being a brexiter so far does not lead to political or economic success.

If there is a brexiter who has political competence then they of course should be considered.

[jeremyp]

I thought it was pretty obvious. The next pm is meant to take us out of the EU. I'd be surprised if any Remainers even stand.

[Nearly Sane]

I thought it was pretty obvious. The next pm is meant to take us out of the EU. I'd be surprised if any Remainers even stand.

Teresa May, I would think. Though only if we find the bunker she and George Osborne are in.

[jeremyp]

Teresa May, I would think. Though only if we find the bunker she and George Osborne are in.

They're in Berlin applying for German citizenship right now.

[floo]

Duncan Smith says that the prime minister must be a Brexiter!!!!

That must be the most right wing ubermensch bollocks of this affair.
Never mind political competence they must be ''Pure''.
And talking of political competence what could demonstrate a complete lack of that than being a brexiter?

I agree.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Duncan Smith says that the prime minister must be a Brexiter!!!!

That must be the most right wing ubermensch bollocks of this affair.
Never mind political competence they must be ''Pure''.
And talking of political competence what could demonstrate a complete lack of that than being a brexiter?

Duncan Smith backs JUNIOR MINISTER Leadsom and so sanctifies Brexiters. She is a former banker and apparently got high up in it and rocks up at parliament around the time Bankers gambled with the economy and lost. She was on the leave campaign which gambled with the economy and it looks like an even bigger loss.

What qualifications does she have therefore for prime minister?

[ProfessorDavey]

What qualifications does she have therefore for prime minister?

That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate.

Is this what we have come to - we are seriously considering giving someone the most important job in the country on the basis of a few sound-bites to camera, despite having zero senior political experience.

Bonkers - but it would be a hat-trick of examples of never underestimating the stupidity of the electorate, after Corbyn winning the Labour leadership and the vote for Brexit.

[jakswan]

That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate.

No she will be shortlisted by elected MPs, possibly on the basis of her previous experience and qualifications. We need less career politicians in my opinion.

Is this what we have come to - we are seriously considering giving someone the most important job in the country on the basis of a few sound-bites to camera, despite having zero senior political experience.

What we have come to is people like you dismissing a candidate based on a soundbite.

Bonkers - but it would be a hat-trick of examples of never underestimating the stupidity of the electorate, after Corbyn winning the Labour leadership and the vote for Brexit.

So instead of relying on the electorate lets have Dictator Davey?

Weren't you a Labour party member that campaigned to elect Tony Blair?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate.

Is this what we have come to - we are seriously considering giving someone the most important job in the country on the basis of a few sound-bites to camera, despite having zero senior political experience.

Bonkers - but it would be a hat-trick of examples of never underestimating the stupidity of the electorate, after Corbyn winning the Labour leadership and the vote for Brexit.

Leadsom, or as she always be known as by me, Margot Leadbetter is a brexitter sanctifier.
Apparently ALL the important jobs in government and the brexit negotiations should be done by Brexitters.
Because only they have the 'vision'.
But such are the febrile conditions in politics that soundbites and purity of Brexitism can gain you a country without being elected.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No she will be shortlisted by elected MPs, possibly on the basis of her previous experience and qualifications. We need less career politicians in my opinion.

What we have come to is people like you dismissing a candidate based on a soundbite.

So instead of relying on the electorate lets have Dictator Davey?

Weren't you a Labour party member that campaigned to elect Tony Blair?

It would be good if she had a plan which she was prepared to democratically put to the country so that we could compare different plans to see how far each one fulfils what the leave vote means.
Is she a norwegian type exitter, a swiss type exitter, a canadian type exitter, a fingers crossed exitter or what?

[ProfessorDavey]

No she will be shortlisted by elected MPs, possibly on the basis of her previous experience and qualifications. We need less career politicians in my opinion.

If it were on the basis of her previous experience then she wouldn't be shortlisted - she has no previous experience of senior political leadership - she has never even been in the cabinet. They may shortlist her, but it won't be on the basis of her experience, merely on the basis that she is a Brexiter and isn't Gove or Fox.

What we have come to is people like you dismissing a candidate based on a soundbite.

Who is doing that - certainly not me. I am dismissing her on her woeful lack of experience for the job. As I've said before, were she to be successful and then become PM on day 1, she would be far and away the least experienced PM on attaining the position for at least 200 years. Is that really what we need right now when we are facing the biggest political and constitutional crisis the UK has faced for decades. I don't think so.

So instead of relying on the electorate lets have Dictator Davey?

Oh grow up Jakswan - but of course she won't be voted in by the UK electorate, but by a couple of hundred MPs, to get her on the ballot paper, and perhaps 80,000 tory members if she wins.

Weren't you a Labour party member that campaigned to elect Tony Blair?

No I joined after Blair became leader. But there is a difference - Blair was elected as leader of the opposition, not as PM. In order for him to become PM he had to win a general election (which he did of course by a landslide). In this case she is potentially being elected directly to become PM.

[jakswan]

If it were on the basis of her previous experience then she wouldn't be shortlisted - she has no previous experience of senior political leadership - she has never even been in the cabinet. They may shortlist her, but it won't be on the basis of her experience, merely on the basis that she is a Brexiter and isn't Gove or Fox.

That doesn't follow there were many MPs that were Brexiters, I'm not claiming to know why the Tory MPs have selected her, you are the one claiming "That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate."

Who is doing that - certainly not me. I am dismissing her on her woeful lack of experience for the job. As I've said before, were she to be successful and then become PM on day 1, she would be far and away the least experienced PM on attaining the position for at least 200 years. Is that really what we need right now when we are facing the biggest political and constitutional crisis the UK has faced for decades. I don't think so.

I think Cameron had similar limited experience. She is older than Cameron was and has experiance outside of the Westminster bubble.

Oh grow up Jakswan - but of course she won't be voted in by the UK electorate, but by a couple of hundred MPs, to get her on the ballot paper, and perhaps 80,000 tory members if she wins.

Please try to pay attention, you stated "the stupidity of the electorate" I never claimed she would have been voted in by the Uk electorate.

No I joined after Blair became leader. But there is a difference - Blair was elected as leader of the opposition, not as PM. In order for him to become PM he had to win a general election (which he did of course by a landslide). In this case she is potentially being elected directly to become PM.

You did support Blair though, campaigned for Blair as I recall, so maybe not the right time Dictator Davey.

[Brownie]

Blair started off OK 1in 1997 Jakswan, within no time at all the NHS improved dramatically, the old Tory stuff stripped away and everything more efficient in hospitals and GP centres (remember Fundholding Practices?  Dreadful), and medical care at home for the sick and disabled was excellent.  It was quite impressive, NHS workers had been so demoralised under Mrs T's regime (latterly Major).  It was the Iraq war that was Blair's downfall but we mustn't forget the early achievements of that government.

I can't see Ms Leadsom becoming the Tory boss, she doesn't appear to have the chutzpah - but stranger things have happened.

[ProfessorDavey]

That doesn't follow there were many MPs that were Brexiters, I'm not claiming to know why the Tory MPs have selected her, you are the one claiming "That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate."

No-one was suggesting her as a potential leader candidate until the referendum campaign and her debate performance. And don't forget that MPs don't decide who stands at this stage - it is for the candidate to decide whether to run. So the fact that there might be other Breixiters with far greater experience who aren't running is not a relevant comment.

I think Cameron had similar limited experience. She is older than Cameron was and has experiance outside of the Westminster bubble.

Cameron was elected as leader of the opposition, not de facto as PM.

You did support Blair though, campaigned for Blair as I recall, so maybe not the right time Dictator Davey.

And your point is exactly?

Yes you are right that I campaigned for a Blair led Labour election victory in 1997, 2001 and 2005. And the UK electorate delivered that victory. And don't forget that prior to becoming Labour leader Blair was already in the shadow cabinet, shadowing one of the great offices of state, the Home office (a level of seniority Leadsom has yet to attain) and also he was only elected at that stage as leader of then opposition - not PM, he needed to show success in that role, and to have that success validated in a general election prior to becoming PM, which of course he did.

Why is that somehow relevant to Leadsom's woeful lack of experience to become PM without a mandate from the UK electorate?

[ProfessorDavey]

Blair started off OK 1in 1997 Jakswan, within no time at all the NHS improved dramatically, the old Tory stuff stripped away and everything more efficient in hospitals and GP centres (remember Fundholding Practices?  Dreadful), and medical care at home for the sick and disabled was excellent.  It was quite impressive, NHS workers had been so demoralised under Mrs T's regime (latterly Major). 

I agree

It was the Iraq war that was Blair's downfall but we mustn't forget the early achievements of that government.

I agree too and was against the war. However hindsight is a fantastic thing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You did support Blair though, campaigned for Blair as I recall, so maybe not the right time Dictator Davey.

Whatever Blair did he did'nt start by crashing the economy.
it doesn't matter what her other attributes are all that matters is that she has a plan. The trouble is though the same as Boris as Gove's and for the same reasons. They didn't have a plan and so have had the nous to get themselves neatly of the hook.
If Leadsom has a plan why did she not reveal it during the referendum campaign. The only conclusion is that the average brexiteer is not involved in it past providing the vote for it.
Leadsom is sinister or stupid or both since she will Corbyn like marginalise the majority of Tory MP's.

This is why, as well as hoping that May is triumphant, we must also assume that any exit plan is one of a range put befre the electorate.

Leadsom will also have the risk of splitting the Union apart but that goes back to the original leave lie in the title UKIP, when it should have come clean and announced itself as the English Nationalists.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I agree
I agree too and was against the war. However hindsight is a fantastic thing.

The tories crashed the NHS.

[Brownie]

They certainly did and this government has been trying to undo all the good the previous Labour one did.

Yes Prof, hindsight is all very well.   If only we had crystal balls.

[jeremyp]

The tories crashed the NHS.

When?

[jakswan]

No-one was suggesting her as a potential leader candidate until the referendum campaign and her debate performance. And don't forget that MPs don't decide who stands at this stage - it is for the candidate to decide whether to run. So the fact that there might be other Breixiters with far greater experience who aren't running is not a relevant comment.

until Cameron resigned there wasn't much need to have candidates. Still you think you know the minds of people on the basis "That in the eyes of some people she performed credibly in a televised debate", she wouldn't run unless she had support.

Cameron was elected as leader of the opposition, not de facto as PM.

So before selecting a leader the Conservative party should first follow some new rules made up by you.

And your point is exactly?

Yes you are right that I campaigned for a Blair led Labour election victory in 1997, 2001 and 2005. And the UK electorate delivered that victory. And don't forget that prior to becoming Labour leader Blair was already in the shadow cabinet, shadowing one of the great offices of state, the Home office (a level of seniority Leadsom has yet to attain) and also he was only elected at that stage as leader of then opposition - not PM, he needed to show success in that role, and to have that success validated in a general election prior to becoming PM, which of course he did.

But Davey that proves nothing remember your position, "the stupidity of the electorate".

Why is that somehow relevant to Leadsom's woeful lack of experience to become PM without a mandate from the UK electorate?

There is a system in place to select a new leader for the Conservative Party, it goes through a somewhat democratic process. Given you position "the stupidity of the electorate" I get why you oppose but your judgement isn't all that.