Absolutely correct, why? the Tory party has let them down, a failure to invest in this countries infrastructure, a failure to be seen to be proactively going after the big guns, the one's who siphon off billions from our country, instead they target the weak and defenceless.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Tories have been in sole power for about 19 years since we joined the Common Market/EU and a further 5 years in Coalition; Labour have been in power for the rest (41 - 24) - 17. I'd suggest that that means that both major parties are fairly equally to blame for the lack of investment. Here in Wales, we have received a tad over £4 billion from Europe in 'structural funding' since 2000. That has been largely administered by a Labour administration, and one reason that Welsh places like Blaenau Gwent voted agin the EU is because the EU money they have received was spent less than cleverly.
Note, I'm not trying to palm off the blame that is rightly being laid at the Tory Party's feet; I'm simply trying to show that Labour are no less guilty. In the 13 years they were in power under Blair and Brown, they robbed the pension pots of unions and big business alike, they failed to adequately protect the economy (and were helped to a degree by the Tory opposition, they failed to close tax loopholes, they failed to deal with the massive problems that the NHS had been falling into since the late 70s/early 80s, they've favoured their own cronies in the same way that the Tories have, ... . Yes, they did some good stuff - as have the Tories over the years - but they are certasinly no less blameless.
Your ordinary Labour voter has listened to the propaganda and thought, yes that's who to blame, johnny foreigner, our over stretched NHS, johnny foreigner, absolutely nothing to do with a governments failure to invest properly.
I'd suggest that the ordinary Labour voter has simply stuck to their long-time aversion to the EEC, let alone the EU.
The British people did not need a choice, it was foisted on them by right wing Tories and the yapping's of the UKIP, yes the EU needed to be reformed but that required strong leadership, can you honestly say we have strong leadership when they target the weak and leave the rich to continually siphon off the profits.
I wouild disagree. As I've already mentioned, both on this thread and others, the UK has been deeply divided on the subject of Europe for 40-odd years. If either Maggie and/or Tony had allowed a referendum on the EU treaties that they were responsible for, we might already have been out - but I suspect that we'd have still been in a somewhat different EU.
... but we still have foodbanks, we still have homeless, we still have poverty on our own streets, this is not an EU problem, this is a government problem who is wedded to a grotesque thing called austerity.
Which, in itself, is wedded to the massive global economic disaster of 9 years ago, which was brought about by shoddy financial controls across the world. We could have chosen not to have bailed the banks out, but then we would probably have found ourselves in an even deeper hole.
So when I say unChristian, turning a blind eye to a problem which we have the means to fix, when I say unBritish, failing to help our poor and needy, no matter what nationality, if they are on our streets it is our problem, that to me has always been the British way.
But do we have the means to fix the problems? Scotland seemed to gone some way to doing so, largely because they have one of the largest per capita Central Government grants in the UK - leaving the other elements struggling even more than they might have. Our position as 5th richest nation in the world had a huge amount to do with our being a member of the EU.
Well maybe I can agree with that, but this whole mess is Tory mess, we did not need a referendum, and we certainly did not need a referendum so quickly, no one in the Tory party expected this, they did not plan for this, that is obvious from the reaction of the leave and remain Tories.
You could argue that no-one expected UKIP and pro-exit Tories to base their case on such blatant half-truths, no-one expected a Labour Party leader to be so hugely half-hearted in his support for Remain; no-one expected that the Leave campaign would have failed so signally to have done its homework and come up with a plan that could have been actioned within hours of the vote being announced; no-one could have expected ... we could go on ad infinitum.
So I still say, kick the Tories out, the country has voted to leave, let others who do have the best interests of this country at heart negotiate our leaving.
Gonnagle.
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