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Walt Zingmatilder

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Shock! Cameron advises someone to do something.........
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:07:41 PM »
..........for the ''Good of the country''...............snork.

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Re: Shock! Cameron advises someone to do something.........
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 08:16:11 PM »
..........for the ''Good of the country''...............snork.
Vlad, many political commentators have said that Cameron has been amongst our best PMs.  In fact, he has done a lot for the 'Good of the Country'.  He has also made mistakes and miscalculations.  In other words, he has been little different from most previous PMs.
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Re: Shock! Cameron advises someone to do something.........
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 08:23:45 PM »
Vlad, many political commentators have said that Cameron has been amongst our best PMs.  In fact, he has done a lot for the 'Good of the Country'.  He has also made mistakes and miscalculations.  In other words, he has been little different from most previous PMs.

You jest; surely you jest?

We've just seen him mastermind a spectacular disaster where a strategy designed to sort out a few troublesome members of his own party backfires to the detriment of the UK as a whole.

History will not be kind to him.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 08:25:01 PM »
Vlad, many political commentators have said that Cameron has been amongst our best PMs.  In fact, he has done a lot for the 'Good of the Country'.  He has also made mistakes and miscalculations.  In other words, he has been little different from most previous PMs.
I think he will go down as a high stakes chancer.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 08:55:38 PM »
Vlad, many political commentators have said that Cameron has been amongst our best PMs.
History will be very, very unkind to David Cameron as PM. Indeed he will probably go down as a by-word for the most disastrous PM.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 09:13:19 PM »
Dear Vlad,

Weeelll! don't forget we had that other arse Blair and that we have hints from Farmer and Sane that the reason they are trying to get rid of Corbyn is that they don't want him shouting in the House of Commons for Blair to charged with war crimes once the Chilcott thing is published.

We do live in very interesting times, interesting, divisive and for me slightly exhausting trying to keep up with all the skulduggery.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 09:16:30 PM »
Dear Vlad,

Weeelll! don't forget we had that other arse Blair and that we have hints from Farmer and Sane that the reason they are trying to get rid of Corbyn is that they don't want him shouting in the House of Commons for Blair to charged with war crimes once the Chilcott thing is published.
I don't think it will make any difference whether Corbyn is leader or not - he can still shout that Blair should be charged with war crimes. Indeed he'd find that a lot easier to do from the bad benches.

Difficulty is that I would be very, very surprised if Chilcott gave him sufficient evidence to substantiate his assertion.

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 09:58:34 AM »
I don't think it will make any difference whether Corbyn is leader or not - he can still shout that Blair should be charged with war crimes. Indeed he'd find that a lot easier to do from the bad benches.
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Re: Shock! Cameron advises someone to do something.........
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 10:26:17 AM »
I think Cameron did a good job, and it is a pity he isn't staying on as PM.

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 10:38:49 AM »
Although he was never my favourite politician, I think Osborne is one of the very few who came out of the fiasco with any credit. He consistently "told it how it was" and he effectively sacrificed his political career in the process. I suppose that's what happens to bearers of bad news.

Maybe if he had been as unscrupulous as the Brexiteers we would have had a different result.
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Re: Shock! Cameron advises someone to do something.........
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 02:20:29 PM »
You jest; surely you jest?

We've just seen him mastermind a spectacular disaster where a strategy designed to sort out a few troublesome members of his own party backfires to the detriment of the UK as a whole.

History will not be kind to him.
And what makes you think that the referendum was a 'strategy designed to sort out a few troublesome members of his own party'?  Anyone who had done any research at all knew that 1) the country has been split down the middle on this issue for decades and 2) that we had been promised referendums on the issue twice in the past, only for those promises to be reneged upon.   I think the only issue with him is his clear miscalculation as to how many people would be taken in by the - now admitted - false claims of the Brexiteers.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 02:43:29 PM »
And what makes you think that the referendum was a 'strategy designed to sort out a few troublesome members of his own party'?  Anyone who had done any research at all knew that 1) the country has been split down the middle on this issue for decades and 2) that we had been promised referendums on the issue twice in the past, only for those promises to be reneged upon.   I think the only issue with him is his clear miscalculation as to how many people would be taken in by the - now admitted - false claims of the Brexiteers.

Well now, is it not the case that the Tory party has been blighted by 'Eurosceptics' for years now, and iirc John Major referred to them as 'bastards'.

Since when has the 'country been split down the middle on this for decades' on Europe? The only naysayers seemed to be Tories and we don't have too many of them here in Scotland, and bearing in mind that in 2014 we were constantly told that if we wanted to stay in the EU (and we do, as last weeks result confirms) we needed to stay in the UK then no wonder we look askance at the incompetence surrounding this result.

Cameron, in the 2015 manifesto, agreed a referendum because he was expecting another coalition with the Lib-Dems and expected that the removal of the referendum commitment would be part of that deal - but the Lib-Dems and Labour imploded at the ballot box so he had to proceed, no doubt assuming 'Remain' would win - with catastrophic results, as is evident from both the immediate failure to implement Article 50 and the leadership chaos in the the Labour and Tory parties. It would be fitting if some of the Monty Python team jumped in declaring 'nobody expected Brexit' (in the style of their Spanish Inquisition sketch). 

Cameron is the proverbial turkey who voted for Christmas - but he went further by laying the table, inviting the guests, putting himself on the menu and then helpfully climbing into the oven whilst closing the door behind him.

I'm surprise that you defend him at all.     
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