The Economy is in for a rough ride

[Nearly Sane]

Did you get out of bed the wrong side, Jeremy?

I don't really find your post acceptable, when aimed at another poster who just happened to vote differently than you.

He is no more to blame for the loss of jobs than anyone else here.

If the jobs are in part lost because of those voying to leave then, yes, they are more responsible

[jakswan]

Still unable to confront the consequences of your actions, I see.

No just unwilling to be your whipping boy, talk to the hand, I'm done.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Stop being inconsistent. If you think this is for the best you are happy with the effects.

I disagree with this assessment.

"This is for the best" usually means that in that person's opinion the positive consequences outweigh the negatives. I don't remember hearing it used to mean all the consequences are positive. And the programmes I have watched about why some people voted Leave indicate that the positive and negative consequences they envisaged were not solely in terms of economic consequences.

[Nearly Sane]

I disagree with this assessment.

"This is for the best" usually means that in that person's opinion the positive consequences outweigh the negatives. I don't remember hearing it used to mean all the consequences are positive. And the programmes I have watched about why some people voted Leave indicate that the positive and negative consequences they envisaged were not solely in terms of economic consequences.

And being willing to accept responsibility for those negative consequences, which seems as if jakswan isn't

[jeremyp]

No just unwilling to be your whipping boy, talk to the hand, I'm done.

You set yourself up for it. When are you going to face your responsibility?

[jeremyp]

"This is for the best" usually means that in that person's opinion the positive consequences outweigh the negatives. I don't remember hearing it used to mean all the consequences are positive.

In this case "is happy with" means "thinks is an acceptable price for the perceived positive benefits". It would be nice to hear Jakswan say that the loss of NS's and his colleagues' contracts is an acceptable price for whatever the benefits of Brexit are, but at the moment he doesn't even seem to want to acknowledge them.

And the programmes I have watched about why some people voted Leave indicate that the positive and negative consequences they envisaged were not solely in terms of economic consequences.

I'd agree with that. The problem id that the economic consequences are often down played in favour of the other more "romantic" consequences, but it's the economic consequences that are the ones individual people actually notice. It's the economic consequences that cause people to lose their jobs whereas the "romantic" consequences - e.g. taking back our borders or taking back control from the EU - will be completely unnoticeable to most people.

It's also a tragedy that many of the leaders of the Brexit campaign won't be feeling the economic consequences. Boris Johnson has a plum job in the cabinet and Nigel Farage is still drawing a salary from the EU as an MEP. Even when he gets booted out in a couple of years he'll still be financially nicely off. Of the leading Brexit campaigners, only Michael Gove is in need of employment, but I'm sure he is financially secure.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

NS

Yes I would agree that the people who voted Leave are responsible for the reasonably foreseeable or predicted positive and negative consequences of their vote.

I think it is the responsibility of those who vote to research and educate themselves to the possible outcomes, weigh up the likelihood of the positive and negative consequences before they vote.

For some Leave voters, the negative economic consequences for others in their community such as people losing jobs, was less important than trying to stop political union or free movement of labour within the EU.

On Panorama some people said they had voted Leave even though they thought they would be economically worse off in the short-term and could lose their jobs. They thought it would be beneficial to their kids in the long term as the ability to limit immigration that they hoped for by voting Leave would mean the existing infrastructure in Britain would not be put under even more strain with additional new people coming into the country. They thought this meant there would be more chance of their kids having access to the limited infrastructure that Labour and Tory governments were not investing in sufficiently, such as school places, university places, apprenticeships, health.

[Jack Knave]

You set yourself up for it. When are you going to face your responsibility?

When are you going to?

[jeremyp]

When are you going to?

I voted to remain. If my side had prevailed, NS and his colleagues would probably not be losing their contracts. My conscience is clear.

[Bubbles]

Retail sales rose in July despite Brexit slump fears, report finds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37016123

Sounds good

Apparently up from this time last year.

[L.A.]

The credible sources that you and Davey cited predicted a 0.5 % short term technical recession, looks like they were wrong but growth has slowed. Contrary to NS nonsense I'm not happy that anyone should lose out.

I still think we will be better off in the long term.

Churchill's wife tried to console him upon losing the 1945 election saying: ‘It may well be a blessing in disguise’.

He replied: ‘At the moment it seems quite effectively disguised.’



Likewise, the 'blessings' of Brexit are exceedingly well disguised and if thing's actually do get better in the long term, it is likely to be the very long term.

[Jack Knave]

I voted to remain. If my side had prevailed, NS and his colleagues would probably not be losing their contracts. My conscience is clear.

And by doing so you supported for the continuance of that venal institution the EU who have pushed the Greeks into near starvation - shame on you!!!

[L.A.]

And by doing so you supported for the continuance of that venal institution the EU who have pushed the Greeks into near starvation - shame on you!!!

Greek politicians chose to join the EURO, knowing that they didn't meet the criteria for entry. Sure, the Greek people have had a bad deal from their duplicitous politicians -

JUST LIKE WE HAVE

The British people were naive enough to believe all those BREXIT LIES.

[jeremyp]

And by doing so you supported for the continuance of that venal institution the EU who have pushed the Greeks into near starvation - shame on you!!!

The reason the Greeks are in the state they are in is almost entirely their own fault. Nobody made them lie about their accounts or join the Euro. Nobody makes tax evasion in Greece a "national sport" except the Greeks.

Also it's probably not worth bringing this up because you are incapable of understanding it but: the Eurozone is not the EU. OK.

[Jack Knave]

The reason the Greeks are in the state they are in is almost entirely their own fault. Nobody made them lie about their accounts or join the Euro. Nobody makes tax evasion in Greece a "national sport" except the Greeks.

Also it's probably not worth bringing this up because you are incapable of understanding it but: the Eurozone is not the EU. OK.

Except Brussels knew what was going on and approved of it because having the Euro and not having the Greeks there (the founders of democracy) would have been, in their eyes, absurd.

[Harrowby Hall]

Except Brussels knew what was going on and approved of it because having the Euro and not having the Greeks there (the founders of democracy) would have been, in their eyes, absurd.

Do you make this tripe up all by yourself or do you have someone do it for you?

[jeremyp]

Except Brussels knew what was going on and approved of it

Evidence please.

because having the Euro and not having the Greeks there (the founders of democracy) would have been, in their eyes, absurd.

No, it was France that said that. It's obviously a non sequitur and I expect that, if the real state of the Greek economy had been known, they wouldn't be part of the Euro now.

[Jack Knave]

Do you make this tripe up all by yourself or do you have someone do it for you?

What makes you think it is tripe?

[Jack Knave]

Evidence please.

And what would you deem to be evidence?

No, it was France that said that.

I don't care who actually said it they are all the EU/Brussels.

It's obviously a non sequitur and I expect that, if the real state of the Greek economy had been known, they wouldn't be part of the Euro now.

You really aren't taking that position are you? They knew.

[jeremyp]

And what would you deem to be evidence?

Some sort of contemporary documentation from the EU should do it.

I don't care who actually said it they are all the EU/Brussels.

France is not the EU, it's only a member state just like the UK.

You really aren't taking that position are you? They knew.

I doubt if even the Greek government of the time knew the state of the Greek economy.

[jeremyp]

The pound has briefly hit parity with the Euro

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37107945

The Euro is allegedly a basket case currency, so where does that leave Sterling?

[Jack Knave]

The pound has briefly hit parity with the Euro

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37107945

The Euro is allegedly a basket case currency, so where does that leave Sterling?

We're just bouncing off the bottom because of a blip, the Euro is eating mud.

[jeremyp]

We're just bouncing off the bottom because of a blip, the Euro is eating mud.

If the Euro is eating mud, we must be several feet under it now.

[Jack Knave]

If the Euro is eating mud, we must be several feet under it now.

You have still failed to learn how to read. Look up the word bounce.

[jeremyp]

You have still failed to learn how to read. Look up the word bounce.

Let's wait for this bounce to happen then.