The Brexiters shit on the country again

[jeremyp]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/its-not-business-as-usual-until-brexit-uk-scientists-are-already-feeling-the-effects?CMP=twt_gu

British science is already suffering thanks to those twats.

[Bubbles]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36774609/the-new-pm-has-a-lot-on-her-plate-on-day-one-in-the-job

I'm sure she'll get round to it.

[SusanDoris]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36774609/the-new-pm-has-a-lot-on-her-plate-on-day-one-in-the-job

I'm sure she'll get round to it.

On what information do you base that  possibility? Disruption caused by lack of funding and co-operation in the world of Science is one of those things that I'll bet a very large number of Brexiters didn't even consider.

[Bubbles]

On what information do you base that  possibility? Disruption caused by lack of funding and co-operation in the world of Science is one of those things that I'll bet a very large number of Brexiters didn't even consider.

Not ALL scientists are negative, Susan.

http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/

[Bubbles]

MATT RIDLEY: THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR BREXIT

On the 3rd May, the Royal Society hosted a discussion on the UK’s scientific relationship with EU science programmes, and on what the future might hold for a politically independent UK. During the discussion, Viscount Ridley made a strong, positive and internationalist case for a ‘Leave’ vote at the forthcoming EU referendum, which you can listen to here:

http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/?p=218

[Bubbles]

According to him it is harder for scientists from outside the EU to come here because they can't get a visa.

http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Viscount_Ridley_Transcript.pdf

Some of his points are interesting.

Lots of non EU countries get funding anyway.

[wigginhall]

I think Prof. D. was pointing this out a while ago, that British scientists would be off-loaded from research consortia. 

I notice also that energy companies are getting rid of their cheapest deals, because of falling pound. 

[Bubbles]

This is a research scientist POV

http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/?p=259

Now put away the doom and gloom. 

[Udayana]

Thanks Pollyanna !

Oh wait .. weren't we going to spend all those hundreds of millions a week on NHS services? Maybe in his research into biomolecular mass spectrometry he has found a way of getting something for nothing?

[jeremyp]

According to him it is harder for scientists from outside the EU to come here because they can't get a visa.

I don't think you understand about this Brexit thing. They aren't planning to make it easier for for non EU people to get in, but to make it harder for EU people to get in. The impacts science in two ways:

1. we lose a source of scientists from the EU
2. Our scientists lose an opportunity to go to the EU.

Also there's the funding. You could argue that EU funding may be replaced by UK funding, but we really don't know that. EU funds weren't affected by our austerity measures, but you can bet that purported future UK funding will be during the coming recession.

http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Viscount_Ridley_Transcript.pdf

Some of his points are interesting.

Lots of non EU countries get funding anyway.

Don't show that to Jack Knave. He thinks a Norway deal doesn't count as Brexit.

In any case, it doesn't matter what Viscount Ridley thinks or one rabidly anti-EU nutter who also does science. British science is already being damaged by Brexit.

[john]

Jeremy

Regardless of the rights and wrongs.

Brexit is the new reality.

Isn't it time you stopped being so violently negative, depressing and inciting others to be so to.

Learn to deal with reality, you are stating to sound like (for different reasons) Hope, Sass, Spud, Etc.

[BeRational]

Jeremy

Regardless of the rights and wrongs.

Brexit is the new reality.

Isn't it time you stopped being so violently negative, depressing and inciting others to be so to.

Learn to deal neither reality, you are stating to sound like (for different reasons) Hope, Sass, Spud, Etc. the

It's not actually a reality yet.

[jeremyp]

Jeremy

Regardless of the rights and wrongs.

Brexit is the new reality.

Isn't it time you stopped being so violently negative, depressing and inciting others to be so to.

Just because there's been a vote doesn't mean reality has changed. It doesn't mean that Brexit is magically a good idea. It's still shit and I'll continue to point out the many ways in which it is shit.

[Sassy]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/its-not-business-as-usual-until-brexit-uk-scientists-are-already-feeling-the-effects?CMP=twt_gu

British science is already suffering thanks to those twats.

Talk about being conned. Load of rubbish we don't need Europe for Science.
America and England have enough top scientist and their own studies to get one with.
Jeremyp grow up and face it. We are out of EUROPE thank God. And all the excuses are
just that... The people have decided and you have to be gracious about the outcome...

[jeremyp]

Talk about being conned. Load of rubbish we don't need Europe for Science.

Yes, Brexit voters have been conned. And we do need Europe for science. The EU gives us huge quantities of investment for science and, probably more importantly, provides opportunities for British scientists to go to Europe and vice versa.

America and England have enough top scientist and their own studies to get one with.

Huh? Could you rewrite that in English please?

Are you suggesting that the USA will give us the funds we no longer get from Europe?

Jeremyp grow up and face it. We are out of EUROPE thank God.

You're claiming this is all God's fault? He's even worse than I thought.

The people have decided and you have to be gracious about the outcome...

No I don't. The people voted for an insular inward looking country with no vision. What has happened makes me really angry and I will not be shut down by idiot Little Englanders like you. I will continue posting the worst consequences of Brexit to remind the Little Englanders of what utter twats they have been.

[SusanDoris]

Especiallyas I still haven't heard one good reason to come out of the EU.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

Talking of science! here's a thought, scrap Trident and build our own CERN at Faslane

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

Dear Forum,

Talking of science! here's a thought, scrap Trident and build our own CERN at Faslane

Gonnagle.

What's the point if we are not going to let the scientists in to use it?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jeremyp,

But it would be ours that's what all this Brexit stuff is about, me me me, us against Johnny foreigner, the brexiteer is fed up with watching foreigners using our NHS, taking our housing, stealing our jobs.

Gonnagle.

[SusanDoris]

On the subject of Science, what do people here think of Justine Greening as Education Secretary - which appears to cover Science too.  The main thing I hope for is that she is an atheist, since those with a belief in a supernatural, imaginary friend should not be planning the scientific curriculum of schools or  believe that a God exists.
I realise, sadly, that the chances of an openly atheist PM is highly unlikely during my life.

ETA That's not quite what I meant. It would be better to say that Science curriculums should not ever be allowed to teach anything that cannot be examined by the scientific method.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

On the subject of Science, what do people here think of Justine Greening as Education Secretary - which appears to cover Science too.  The main thing I hope for is that she is an atheist, since those with a belief in a supernatural, imaginary friend should not be planning the scientific curriculum of schools or  believe that a God exists.
I realise, sadly, that the chances of an openly atheist PM is highly unlikely during my life.

ETA That's not quite what I meant. It would be better to say that Science curriculums should not ever be allowed to teach anything that cannot be examined by the scientific method.

I think it was those with a religious background and religion themselves are the people who developed the science curriculum.

Atheism can never be examined using the scientific method so, given that what is the warrant of having an atheist doing the science curriculum?

[Sassy]

Yes, Brexit voters have been conned. And we do need Europe for science. The EU gives us huge quantities of investment for science and, probably more importantly, provides opportunities for British scientists to go to Europe and vice versa.

In your dreams... What sciences are they providing funding for that we don't already have funding for here?

Huh? Could you rewrite that in English please?

Are you suggesting that the USA will give us the funds we no longer get from Europe?

You mean they give us our own money back, how kind...NOT.
If we are not paying them 35 billion we can afford to give it to ourselves.

You're claiming this is all God's fault? He's even worse than I thought.

Any program that makes the poor poorer and the oppresses them and the disabled is NOT going to succeed. Charity begins at home. If they could not take of our own service men putting them on the street or the poorer in our society then NO we should not be bailing out others or bringing immigrants here.
They reaped what they sowed.

No I don't. The people voted for an insular inward looking country with no vision. What has happened makes me really angry and I will not be shut down by idiot Little Englanders like you. I will continue posting the worst consequences of Brexit to remind the Little Englanders of what utter twats they have been.

Sore losers people like you thinking that they could treat the poorer in our societies like sh*t and be the big I am to the rest of the world. This Country lost it's greatness when it prostituted us out to the EU and made it's people poorer to do so.

If you don't like the Country then leave...

No consequences we British are made of stern stuff, Hitler couldn't wear us down and neither can you.  You see we are not cowards we can face anything with our God and come out the other side. All the EU has done has ruined other countries and caused them to require bailing out. Britiain is British and we do not require the EU to survive. As an Island with the help of God we have done that pretty much always survived and we don't give in to bullies and idiots who when democracy has ruled become cry babies and stamp their feet.

[BeRational]

Dear Jeremyp,

But it would be ours that's what all this Brexit stuff is about, me me me, us against Johnny foreigner, the brexiteer is fed up with watching foreigners using our NHS, taking our housing, stealing our jobs.

Gonnagle.

It would have to be bigger than the LHC or what's the point?

[BeRational]

In your dreams... What sciences are they providing funding for that we don't already have funding for here?

You mean they give us our own money back, how kind...NOT.
If we are not paying them 35 billion we can afford to give it to ourselves.

Any program that makes the poor poorer and the oppresses them and the disabled is NOT going to succeed. Charity begins at home. If they could not take of our own service men putting them on the street or the poorer in our society then NO we should not be bailing out others or bringing immigrants here.
They reaped what they sowed.


Sore losers people like you thinking that they could treat the poorer in our societies like sh*t and be the big I am to the rest of the world. This Country lost it's greatness when it prostituted us out to the EU and made it's people poorer to do so.

If you don't like the Country then leave...

No consequences we British are made of stern stuff, Hitler couldn't wear us down and neither can you.  You see we are not cowards we can face anything with our God and come out the other side. All the EU has done has ruined other countries and caused them to require bailing out. Britiain is British and we do not require the EU to survive. As an Island with the help of God we have done that pretty much always survived and we don't give in to bullies and idiots who when democracy has ruled become cry babies and stamp their feet.

Hitler would have worn us down if it wasn't for the most powerful country coming to our aid.

[SusanDoris]

I think it was those with a religious background and religion themselves are the people who developed the science curriculum.

That's not the point. Whether those who wrote the curriculum werereligious or not and  whether those who made the scientific break-throughs of the 16th and 17th centuries, etc  believed in god or not - all that does not alter the fact that today we have a wealth of information, facts and figures, space stations, space probes finding their precise destinations after many years of travel, an increasingly reliable knowledge of weather patterns and so on, none of which owes anything to the humanly imagined, supernatural idea usually named God which is supposed to be *out there* somewhere. The idea is so bizarre actually that it is astonishing that it is not diminishing far, far more quickly than it is.

Atheism can never be examined using the scientific method so, given that what is the warrant of having an atheist doing the science curriculum?
At least a Science curriculum with the person who takes final respponsibility for it being an atheist will mean that no god idea or influence will be even hinted at anywhere in any Science curriculum.