The Brexiters shit on the country again

[torridon]

So tell me Gonnagle what God teaches about the beginning and the end?
Does it actually affect anything he teaches? Gonnagle you are out of touch.

How is that relevant to the extent to which science often proceeds through international collaboration ?

[Sebastian Toe]

They are not here claiming their position. I am asking the other person to prove their credentials not my aunt or brother-in-law. They are not here and not relying on their positions for anything.
Because I gave the means of checking it takes nothing away from him proving his credentials.

You are relying on their position to check out another's position. So it is only fair that you provide the same information in order that we know that they actually exist and not just made up by you.

[Harrowby Hall]

Sass, we know that you are a very imaginative and inventive person. After all, we get treated endlessly to your considerations of an imaginary companion who you have conjured from The Goat Herder's Big Book of Fairy tales.

I suspect that this senior lecturer and mathematician are equally imaginary - unless you show otherwise. It's up to you.

[Sassy]

You said your aunt is a senior lecturer and your brother in law is a mathematician. If they are not scientists, why did you bring them up.

What i actually said was:

Quote from: ProfessorDavey on July 21, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
Jeremy is absolutely correct that the brexit vote is already having a negative impact on scientific research in the UK, it isn't drivel.

Now I don't know what you do Jakswan, but I am a research scientist and in a senior position within a research intensive university so part of my role is providing strategic management of the research activities. So I know what I'm talking about.

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out. My aunt was a senior lecturer and my brother-in-law a maths lecturer at university. So give us your title and university and we can check you out

As you can see the answer is clear. You just couldn't help yourself having not read the original post.

[Sassy]

Sass, we know that you are a very imaginative and inventive person. After all, we get treated endlessly to your considerations of an imaginary companion who you have conjured from The Goat Herder's Big Book of Fairy tales.

I suspect that this senior lecturer and mathematician are equally imaginary - unless you show otherwise. It's up to you.

HH, read original post...

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rom: ProfessorDavey on July 21, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
Jeremy is absolutely correct that the brexit vote is already having a negative impact on scientific research in the UK, it isn't drivel.

Now I don't know what you do Jakswan, but I am a research scientist and in a senior position within a research intensive university so part of my role is providing strategic management of the research activities. So I know what I'm talking about.

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out. My aunt was a senior lecturer and my brother-in-law a maths lecturer at university. So give us your title and university and we can check you out

HOWEVER all that is required to stop you moving the GOAL POST is this...

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from: ProfessorDavey on July 21, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
Jeremy is absolutely correct that the brexit vote is already having a negative impact on scientific research in the UK, it isn't drivel.

Now I don't know what you do Jakswan, but I am a research scientist and in a senior position within a research intensive university so part of my role is providing strategic management of the research activities. So I know what I'm talking about.

So give us your title and university and we can check you out

You see my relating to the fact having family members with degrees and being lecturers was merely the fact we can find out by their university and name exactly what they do. So the question stands. Give us the information so we can check the claims.

[floo]

Goodness knows what Sass's rellies have to do with anything. Maybe we should check out they really exist, !

[Sebastian Toe]

What i actually said was:

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out. My aunt was a senior lecturer and my brother-in-law a maths lecturer at university. So give us your title and university and we can check you out
As you can see the answer is clear. You just couldn't help yourself having not read the original post.

And what expertise do they have (if they exist) on scientific research?

[Sassy]

And what expertise do they have (if they exist) on scientific research?

Re read the posts.. They and I, are not making claims to do with this thread.
I have merely asked for proof of the person who has made claims.
end of...

[Sassy]

Jeremy is absolutely correct that the brexit vote is already having a negative impact on scientific research in the UK, it isn't drivel.

Now I don't know what you do Jakswan, but I am a research scientist and in a senior position within a research intensive university so part of my role is providing strategic management of the research activities. So I know what I'm talking about.

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out. My aunt was a senior lecturer and my brother-in-law a maths lecturer at university. So give us your title and university and we can check you out

As you can see the reference to my family is clearly to be able to check the other person out.
They have not made any personal references to themselves or claimed anything. This is NOT about anything to do with the contents of this thread. It is merely a fact that the person can be checked out. And of course the fact Stephen appears not to be able to furnish the proof he is working in research at a university at all.
So come on Stephen put up or shut up.

So since the brexit vote there have been a significant number of instances where researchers in my institution have found they are no longer welcome in developing consortiums that are aiming at applying for EU funding in the newer future.

Well it would be difficult if we are no longer in the EU. But there is nothing stopping you applying for Government funding still... is there?

We are being excluded, and you can understand why. If you are putting together a consortium and one partner may no longer be eligible for the funding then that is a big risk - if they cannot participate then the ability of the overall consortium to deliver is compromised.

Basically, you are saying the scientist all too thick to do research individually. Have to do it collective together. Grow up.

Actually I have been asked, formally to keep a dossier of such occurrences, with the information to be submitted to the minister for universities and science.

So the people who would minister you don't know what you apply for. Sounds really dumb to me they need you to tell them what they should already know?

Brexit has also had a chilling effect on recruitment and retention. Top scientists are often more than happy to relocate internationally to the best place to support their research ambitions.

Excellent so the research will still be done...

Although we haven't lost anyone yet I am aware of colleagues who are reactively looking to relocate into the remaining EU.

Why? are they the ones who cannot do it on their own?

Also in interviews earlier this week the issue of brexit was brought up by all the candidates as an issue of importance in their decision as to whether to take a position in the UK or elsewhere.

Well,if they cannot do it on their own or are not up to the Job. Best they relocate we need scientist who can think and act for themselves.
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[Nearly Sane]

Who is Stephen?

[Harrowby Hall]

Who is Stephen?

Another imaginary friend?

[Bubbles]

Another imaginary friend?

Or an imaginary post?

I can't even work out which post nearly sane is responding too. 

[Nearly Sane]

Or an imaginary post?

I can't even work out which post nearly sane is responding too. 

The one before my post where Sassy refers to Stephen in reply to Prof Davey. Note once in the bit in red, and then immediately following that.

[Aruntraveller]

Or an imaginary post?

I can't even work out which post nearly sane is responding too. 

It's even emphasised in RED for you - after all it makes all the difference in how important the words are

[Nearly Sane]

Note I think Sassy has got Stephen Taylor and Prof Davey confused, despite Prof Davey's name being at the top of the post.

[Sassy]

Who is Stephen?

No Idea, unless it the profs real name.
I have no idea why I wrote that, other than I might have been reading something elsewhere to a Stephen. Anyone wrote or addressed posts to a stephen? Will do a search. However let us not digress from the real reason for the post. Hey?

[Sassy]

 It goes to show and 'AMUSINGLY' I may add that you hang on my every word.
Must have been Stephens Law going nuclear???

[Sebastian Toe]

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out.

In other words you want him to identify himself?
Really?

[jeremyp]

What i actually said was:

Really! Give us your field and position and I can check you out. My aunt was a senior lecturer and my brother-in-law a maths lecturer at university. So give us your title and university and we can check you out
As you can see the answer is clear. You just couldn't help yourself having not read the original post.

But you can make your imaginary aunt senior lecturer and brother in law mathematician say whatever you like - because they are imaginary. It's only fair that the Prof D knows who is checking him out.

[Sassy]

But you can make your imaginary aunt senior lecturer and brother in law mathematician say whatever you like - because they are imaginary. It's only fair that the Prof D knows who is checking him out.

Oh please! Write a decent post and stop the drivel.

[floo]

Oh please! Write a decent post and stop the drivel.

As most of your posts are nonsense because you make assertions without supporting evidence, it is you who is spouting drivel.

[Sassy]

As most of your posts are nonsense because you make assertions without supporting evidence, it is you who is spouting drivel.

Says the person who insults God and then in the next breath says and writes:

"Lord,
Thank goodness you know me,
because I don't always know myself!
I suppose there is a purpose to the MENOPAUSE,
forgive me when I fail to see it!"

Which God were you writing the above to?

I guess when it comes to spouting drivel and saying one thing then meaning another.
Your accusation suits you better. I know in whom I believe and I don't pretend to be an atheist/agnostic and pray to God.

You forgot you wrote the above didn't you but more rich is the fact you think you can say one thing elsewhere then preach something else here.

The full prayer



Lord,

Thank goodness you know me,
because I don't always know myself!
I suppose there is a purpose to the menopause,
forgive me when I fail to see it!

Please help me to understand why bits of my anatomy
are travelling south at alarming speed.
Why does a nice juicy apple not have the same
'must eat' quality of a yummy chocolate cream gateau?

You don't get to my age without knowing a thing or two,
please help me to disseminate my wisdom
without saying the fatal words
'I told you so!'

I admit to an interest in others affairs;
keep me from passing on
the tempting gossip and smugness that comes
from not giving into similar temptation.

Support me while I listen to another's woes.
Help me to resist the urge
to regale the hapless person with my
much more important tales of adversity.

When complaining that the young
do not have the same qualities I possessed in my youth,
help me to realize that rose tinted spectacles
aid my recollection!

I notice a certain asperity has crept into my speech
when discussing the problems of society,
please make my response
more thoughtful and less prejudiced.

While I will never be a candidate for beatification,
please enable me to attain a level of amiability
so I do not repulse my family and friends.

I am mathematically challenged
so please assist me to count my blessings and realize
that I am the most fortunate of women.

AMEN

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What supporting evidence did you use?


Never can you accuse anyone of speaking drivel where their is NO DOUBLE STANDARDS as you have proved yourself to have.

[jeremyp]

Oh please! Write a decent post and stop the drivel.

So you don't have anything intelligent to say.

[Brownie]

Floo:
R-M, that was one heck of a prayer!  Well done to you for writing down your thoughts in such a coherent way.  It was a few years ago of course and you've left all that far behind you but it relevant to lots of people today and would have identified with what you wrote.  You do have a way with words.

[wigginhall]

This is one of the most negative reports I've seen on Brexit - of course, this doesn't mean it's correct.   Off-topic, I suppose, since it's not about science, but everybody else seem to be arguing about 'Stephen', so here goes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36962059